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Game Thread 2017 Cotton Bowl: OSU vs. USC - 12/29/17 @ 8:30 ET (ESPN)

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Jake said:
If you think history began in 1993, that might be true. :lol:

The Cotton bowl began in 1937. The Fiesta began in 1971. When I was a kid, the Fiesta Bowl was a joke where WAC teams played. The four new year's bowls were Cotton, Rose, Sugar, and Orange. The Cotton Bowl lost some its luster when the Southwest Conference, who hosted it for 50+ years, evaporated in the mid-90s. Only then did the Fiesta Bowl become a big deal.
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I think the Fiesta's big breakthrough was hosting the de-facto national championship game when two independents with no bowl tie-ins were the undefeated #1 and #2 in 1986. It was the Miami and pedster game, and JoePed decided not to duck the Canes the way he had Texas. That's what I remember propelling the Fiesta into the top ranks.

The Peach was always a second rate bowl. They were elevated in order to get a game in Atlanta and a 4th game in the South. Think about it. The two most densely populated regions in the country (the Northeast and Great Lakes) get squat in the CFP.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I think the Fiesta's big breakthrough was hosting the de-facto national championship game when two independents with no bowl tie-ins were the undefeated #1 and #2 in 1986. It was the Miami and pedster game, and JoePed decided not to duck the Canes the way he had Texas. That's what I remember propelling the Fiesta into the top ranks.

The Peach was always a second rate bowl. They were elevated in order to get a game in Atlanta and a 4th game in the South. Think about it. The two most densely populated regions in the country (the Northeast and Great Lakes) get squat in the CFP.
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That is the one that really put them on the map but the Fiesta had been getting some big name matchups for years. It started off small like any new Bowl game is going to but they began to build their brand rather quickly.

Even in the 70's they only had two games played by teams that would not be in today's P5 (BYU and Wyoming). By 1975 they had Nebraska show up and Oklahoma the following year. By the 1980's it was big name after big name going at it including 2 NC games.

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Steve19 said:
So, the college football market is snow birds. How many of them want to travel to another snow bird place and how many people from the South? It's economics.
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So you're saying nobody would go to NYC or Chicago for a cfb playoff game? I disagree.

Of the current 6 destinations, 3 (Dallas, Phoenix and Atlanta)are, in my opinion, pretty boring ass cities that would hold no appeal for me outside of the game. I'd much rather travel to NYC.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
So you're saying nobody would go to NYC or Chicago for a cfb playoff game? I disagree.

Of the current 6 destinations, 3 (Dallas, Phoenix and Atlanta)are, in my opinion, pretty boring ass cities that would hold no appeal for me outside of the game. I'd much rather travel to NYC.
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Even if the cities hold little interest for you, the weather is a big deal. For a playoff at least, you'd need a dome for a northern game. I don't know of any near nyc. You want to play in Indy twice in a row?
 
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sammyjenkis said:
Even if the cities hold little interest for you, the weather is a big deal. For a playoff at least, you'd need a dome for a northern game. I don't know of any near nyc. You want to play in Indy twice in a row?
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You could fill any northern stadium if there were a Midwestern team involved.

The issue would be in a year like this one when all of those Southern Americans had to get permission from their PO to leave the state AND then endure cold weather. The CFB wouldn't really care because they make their money on TV revenue, not so much the gate.

Not sure how low attendance would hurt the "Bowl" game itself or how they share revenue to be honest.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
So you're saying nobody would go to NYC or Chicago for a cfb playoff game? I disagree.

Of the current 6 destinations, 3 (Dallas, Phoenix and Atlanta)are, in my opinion, pretty boring ass cities that would hold no appeal for me outside of the game. I'd much rather travel to NYC.
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I was being sarcastic. The bastards just don't want to play away from home cooking.
 
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sammyjenkis said:
Even if the cities hold little interest for you, the weather is a big deal. For a playoff at least, you'd need a dome for a northern game. I don't know of any near nyc. You want to play in Indy twice in a row?
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Weather? I've seen many a sunbelt game played in horrible conditions. It wasn't so very long ago that UCLA and USC had to re-schedule games due to smoke. Going south or west is no guarantee of good weather.

And why should Ohio State/Big Ten fans to shell out for transportation, room and board, plus tickets every year?

And who do you think gets the extra tickets after the teams split their 32K? Locals, the CoC, politicians, sales gerbils, B list celebrities. And which teams do you think they support? It sure ain't the buckeyes.

So do you want a vacation or a fucking NATIONAL championship game? You want to play the final four in Lexington or Chapel Hill every year?

I double ass guarantee you the Buckeyes, Michigan State, and Michigan would have no less than 3 more NCs combined if the gmes had been outside of LA.

Just watched Army - Navy and Buffalo and Indy play outdoors in December and guess what, they were good games.
 
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