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2017 College Football Playoffs (and Other Bowl Games)

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Mike Leach had a pretty epic rant today on why D-1 college football is the only football league in America without a real playoff.

All they need to do is go to 8 teams, with an automatic berth to the 5 major conference champs. It's more fair, more entertaining and I'm sure the powers that be can figure out a way to make it true to the amateur model of college football, I mean, make themselves more money. Everybody wins.
 
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I'd like to see the committee start punishing the SEC for only playing 8 conference games when basically everyone else has gone to 9. I mean they punished the Big 12 for not having a CCG when everyone else did, so why not extend the same attitude toward the SEC for not going the way of everyone else on scheduling?

Unless they NCAA steps in theres no way the SEC is even going to implement it.

It basically equals +1 win for almost every SEC team. Cause you know they arent using the extra OOC game to play anyone worth a damn. Which in turn makes the whole conference look better when looking at the record column.

The Kentucky/Missouri type teams of the world go from a 5 win team to a 6 win team and a bowl team by having that extra game against the Mercers of the world.
 
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BigWoof31 said:
Not what I'm seeing - OU is -1.5 or -2 depending on the book.
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It must've changed.... Just before I posted, I read an article about how this was the first time in the history of the playoff the 2 lower ranked teams were favored.

Quite frankly, I posted that not because I found it totally unbelievable just the coincidence of having the two MFing SEC teams favored.
 
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BuckeyeSoldier said:
I am blown away at how many people are in these threads spending lots of time defending alabama and trashing the buckeye's season. You must be some miserable fucks to watch a game with. I actually had to put a couple people on ignore because I am tired of seeing what i can only hope is trolling.
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Anyone defending Bama should be ejected for Targeting.
 
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Tanner said:
All they need to do is go to 8 teams, with an automatic berth to the 5 major conference champs. It's more fair, more entertaining and I'm sure the powers that be can figure out a way to make it true to the amateur model of college football, I mean, make themselves more money. Everybody wins.
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No they don't.

The rivalry games held the last week of the season, right before the games that would actually matter (conference championship games), are instantly at risk.

8 teams is fine, just don't do the auto bid thing.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Bingo. The last thing the CFP needs is some 8-4 team getting in because they pulled off an upset in a CCG. Take the top eight team in the rankings, whether or not a conference champ happens to be left out.
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We've already had division runners-up in the CFP twice, which is twice too many. If an 8-4 team beats a team with a better record in the conference championship, then that's where the chips fall. The team with the better record shouldn't have lost. Six seeds have won the Super Bowl plenty of times.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
We've already had division runners-up in the CFP twice, which is twice too many. If an 8-4 team beats a team with a better record in the conference championship, then that's where the chips fall. The team with the better record shouldn't have lost. Six seeds have won the Super Bowl plenty of times.
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This isn't the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL, where they divvy up teams into divisions so that fans will follow their teams in hope for a division title or a playoff spot. They're all way too watered down. Conference championships are only a relatively recent thing (aside from the SEC and Big 12), in an effort to be competitive for BCS (and now CFP) selection. If a conference insists on pitting a 12-0 team from one division against an 8-4 team from the other division just so they can say they have a "real" conference champion, then that's on them.

The CFP committee is charged with selecting the top four (or eight in this instance) teams, period, regardless of any conference championships. Their selection of division runner-up Alabama over two conference champions (and us last year) shows this. Still, with an eight-team playoff, the chances of a conference champion being left out are pretty slim (both Ohio State and USC would be in the playoffs if it were an eight-team field).
 
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Alabama got into the playoffs instead of Ohio State. I have seen two members of the playoff committee explain why this happened, along with several sports commentator's explaining the reasons they agree with the selection committee.

Total victories was considered... the Buckeyes have eleven wins, the Tide has eleven wins.
Conference strength is considered... Ohio State's B1G is ranked higher than Alabama's SEC.
Strength of schedule was considered... the Buckeyes played the 28th toughest schedule, Alabama played the 56th.
Finish first in their conference subdivision... Ohio State yes, Alabama no.
Win their Power Five Conference championship: Ohio State yes, Alabama, no.
Victories against the top ranked teams were considered...the Buckeyes had two wins against top ten teams, the Tide had zero.
Most telling though was the losses. Buckeyes had two losses, where the Tide only had one.

So far, that logic is fine. And if it held through the selection process, then the B1G should have been happy with it, because using all those points THEY (the selection committee) MADE, Wisconsin should have been in the playoffs instead of Alabama.

Total victories: Wisconsin 12, Alabama 11
Conference strength: B1G over SEC
Strength of schedule: Badgers 50th, Tide 56th
Victories against top ranked teams: Wisconsin 0, Alabama 0
Win college subdivision: Badgers yes, Alabama no
Play in a conference championship game: Badgers yes, Alabama no
Win conference championship: Wisky no, Bama no
Total loses: Badgers 1, Tide 1 - However Bama's loss was to the number ranked 9 team (by 12 points,) but the Badgers loss was to the number 5 ranked team (by only 6 points,) so even the Tides loss was worse than the Badgers loss.
Covering the spread against a top ten opponent: Wisconsin yes, Alabama no.
The Wisconsin Badgers took the fifth best team down to the closing minutes. The Alabama Crimson Tide was out of the game by the second quarter against a lesser ranked opponent.

Now tell me again how the Southeast Conference isn't always favored?
 
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lvbuckeye said:
We've already had division runners-up in the CFP twice, which is twice too many. If an 8-4 team beats a team with a better record in the conference championship, then that's where the chips fall. The team with the better record shouldn't have lost. Six seeds have won the Super Bowl plenty of times.
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& how many times is an 8-4 team going to make a conference title game? & generally if, say, a 12-0 team loses to an 8-4 team in a conference title game, that 12-1 team would probably be one of the 3 at large teams selected. & if you can't win your conference or be clearly one of the 3 best remaining teams, no crying is allowed if you don't make the playoffs
 
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MightbeaBuck said:
Alabama got into the playoffs instead of Ohio State. I have seen two members of the playoff committee explain why this happened, along with several sports commentator's explaining the reasons they agree with the selection committee.

Total victories was considered... the Buckeyes have eleven wins, the Tide has eleven wins.
Conference strength is considered... Ohio State's B1G is ranked higher than Alabama's SEC.
Strength of schedule was considered... the Buckeyes played the 28th toughest schedule, Alabama played the 56th.
Finish first in their conference subdivision... Ohio State yes, Alabama no.
Win their Power Five Conference championship: Ohio State yes, Alabama, no.
Victories against the top ranked teams were considered...the Buckeyes had two wins against top ten teams, the Tide had zero.
Most telling though was the losses. Buckeyes had two losses, where the Tide only had one.

So far, that logic is fine. And if it held through the selection process, then the B1G should have been happy with it, because using all those points THEY (the selection committee) MADE, Wisconsin should have been in the playoffs instead of Alabama.

Total victories: Wisconsin 12, Alabama 11
Conference strength: B1G over SEC
Strength of schedule: Badgers 50th, Tide 56th
Victories against top ranked teams: Wisconsin 0, Alabama 0
Win college subdivision: Badgers yes, Alabama no
Play in a conference championship game: Badgers yes, Alabama no
Win conference championship: Wisky no, Bama no
Total loses: Badgers 1, Tide 1 - However Bama's loss was to the number ranked 9 team (by 12 points,) but the Badgers loss was to the number 5 ranked team (by only 6 points,) so even the Tides loss was worse than the Badgers loss.
Covering the spread against a top ten opponent: Wisconsin yes, Alabama no.
The Wisconsin Badgers took the fifth best team down to the closing minutes. The Alabama Crimson Tide was out of the game by the second quarter against a lesser ranked opponent.

Now tell me again how the Southeast Conference isn't always favored?
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But you forgot the "eye test"
 
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Tanner said:
& how many times is an 8-4 team going to make a conference title game? & generally if, say, a 12-0 team loses to an 8-4 team in a conference title game, that 12-1 team would probably be one of the 3 at large teams selected. & if you can't win your conference or be clearly one of the 3 best remaining teams, no crying is allowed if you don't make the playoffs
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CBB has a tournament with 64 teams in it and the talking heads still spend a week crying over the injustice of some poor team not getting the opportunity to go get poleaxed by a #1 seed. You will never get rid of the crying so I don't think that is the problem that should be looked at as needing solved.

The single biggest issue I see is that you have 65 teams in the P5, including ND, and by and large they don't play each other enough to know who the best 4 or 8 teams really are. The solutions to this issue all go against the current conference/Bowl/polls structure of CFB and therefore are highly unlikely to ever get implemented. Therefore you are always going to have this whether it be 4 teams or 8.

So if you are always going to have the arbitrary selection process and arguments from it, I say stick with the structure that protects the one unique thing about CFB and that is the rivalries. Keep it at 4 or go to 8 and have no auto bids, just please don't kill the rivalries.
 
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