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2017 College Football Playoffs (and Other Bowl Games)

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kujirakira said:
You can't argue for NFL style playoffs then complain when 11-5 Wildcards win the Super Bowl. You implicitly create that situation by expanding the number of teams.
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Show me where I'm arguing for an NFL-type playoff...I'm arguing against an NFL-type playoff, where division champs (more-or-less equivalent to FBS conference champs) get auto-bids. The NFL doesn't have a selection committee deciding who gets in or not.

BuckeyeNation27 said:
Isn’t that the year Wisconsin got in the title game despite being 3rd? That’s an awful lot of things falling into (or out of) place to hit your scenario.
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Yeah, you're right...something like that could never happen again. The obvious point is that this sort of stuff does happen and that could end up forcing the committee to put a 4- or 5-loss team in the playoffs just because they won their CCG. Hell, if the CCG winners get auto-bids, then the committee is back down to trying to pick three teams to fill the remaining slots.
 
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Tanner said:
I don't see how going to 8 takes any luster off rivalry games, either in theory or practice. College football fans are maniacs. Rivalry games will always be important to them. And assuming the 2 teams are good, they will almost always be important to the standings and a potential playoff berth.
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Auto bids would have put The Game, this very year, at risk.

If Meyer knows that he is 100% certain in the playoffs by beating Wisconsin no matter what happens with The Game it puts him in the position to have to start considering resting players/taking guys out early etc.

I know the common answer to this is "The Game is too important/he would never do that/etc etc etc", well all I will say to that is you are being naive if you believe it.

Most rivalry games are at the end of the year, right before the CCGs. If a coach knows that CCG can guarantee him a trip to playoffs, he is going to have to seriously consider how he manages that game before it (which clearly has less importance).

8 teams is fine but just say no to auto bids.
 
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8 teams is not fine. 4 teams is barely fine. 8 teams doesnt fix ANYTHING and just waters down the regular season. It is already happening with 4. We lost 2 games this year and many STILL think we deserve a shot at the title.. Alabama played a nothing schedule, lost their rivalry game and DOES get a shot at the title... THAT is what a watered down regular season looks like. The number 8 team in the country did not have a regular season worthy of getting a shot at a national title. This isnt MLB or the NFL or the NBA or college basketball.. this is the best sport in the world, stop trying to make it match with its inferiors.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Auto bids would have put The Game, this very year, at risk.

If Meyer knows that he is 100% certain in the playoffs by beating Wisconsin no matter what happens with The Game it puts him in the position to have to start considering resting players/taking guys out early etc.

I know the common answer to this is "The Game is too important/he would never do that/etc etc etc", well all I will say to that is you are being naive if you believe it.

Most rivalry games are at the end of the year, right before the CCGs. If a coach knows that CCG can guarantee him a trip to playoffs, he is going to have to seriously consider how he manages that game before it (which clearly has less importance).

8 teams is fine but just say no to auto bids.
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On the other hand, though, if/when it goes to 8 teams, that first playoff round could very well be hosted by the higher seeds - in which case getting the best possible seed is critically important.
 
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BayBuck said:
On the other hand, though, if/when it goes to 8 teams, that first playoff round could very well be hosted by the higher seeds - in which case getting the best possible seed is critically important.
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True but that speaks to my point about putting a coach in a tough position.

Jockey for seeding and get someone hurt or play it safe and focus everything on the sure thing of the auto bid?

Interesting game theory situations when you think of all the scenarios that could potentially play out but screw that, the Rivalries are what make CFB great. I don't want that touched even if its a small percentage of a chance.
 
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If you prefer a more fair tournament, then say that, but I'm not sure why so many leap from that stance to believing that it has no effect on the regular season.

Not only were there zero credible options this year for that 4th slot, but in an 8 team, autobid scenario, OSU still backs into the playoffs if they lose a third game at the end of the regular season. Losing to Harbaugh for loss #3 would have merely dropped them from the 5th to the 8th slot, assuming they don't slot someone like UCF below OSU.

If they beat UM and stick at #5, they play Bama in the first round then get Clemson in round 2.
If they lose to UM and drop to #8, they play Clemson in round 1 and get Bama/someone in round 2.
BayBuck said:
On the other hand, though, if/when it goes to 8 teams, that first playoff round could very well be hosted by the higher seeds - in which case getting the best possible seed is critically important.
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Expansion is probable for greed reasons.
Non sponsored, school hosted playoff games are not probable for the same reasons.
 
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BayBuck said:
I guess we'll see, but I have not heard of many serious 8-team playoff proposals that don't include a home-team first round. That is just a lot of games to expect people to travel to attend.
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The bowl cabal is a tough one to crack. I've heard from plenty of folks who would enjoy that and thus have proposed it but that's more of a wishlist than a probable outcome.

I agree it's tough on people to travel that often, though they didn't care about that when the 2 round system came out. I would submit that a seed favoring neutral location would be more likely, such as Indy when OSU is a top-4 team.

I do think that a home-field opening round is one of the few ways to get us "regular season" hardliners to come around a bit, with the prospect of forcing Bama or USC or a Florida team to come up north in the snow.
 
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jwinslow said:
The bowl cabal is a tough one to crack. I've heard from plenty of folks who would enjoy that and thus have proposed it but that's more of a wishlist than a probable outcome.

I agree it's tough on people to travel that often, though they didn't care about that when the 2 round system came out. I would submit that a seed favoring neutral location would be more likely, such as Indy when OSU is a top-4 team.

I do think that a home-field opening round is one of the few ways to get us "regular season" hardliners to come around a bit, with the prospect of forcing Bama or USC or a Florida team to come up north in the snow.
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I think a 6- team scenario with 2 byes and two play-in games with home field advantage soon after conf championships could work.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Show me where I'm arguing for an NFL-type playoff...I'm arguing against an NFL-type playoff, where division champs (more-or-less equivalent to FBS conference champs) get auto-bids. The NFL doesn't have a selection committee deciding who gets in or not.


Yeah, you're right...something like that could never happen again. The obvious point is that this sort of stuff does happen and that could end up forcing the committee to put a 4- or 5-loss team in the playoffs just because they won their CCG. Hell, if the CCG winners get auto-bids, then the committee is back down to trying to pick three teams to fill the remaining slots.
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The NFL doesn't have a selection committee because the criteria for making the playoff is established on the field.
 
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