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shiloh
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Well, if they're wasting time fapping to the Iowa game and not concentrating on the Sparty rebound game, then I like the Buckeye's chances.
It would be deja vu 2002 the U all over again!Indeed, the U could have watched just about every 2002 Buckeye game and been overconfident!
I digress ...
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just curious of the legitimate folks with a chance to get in... who are we not dogs too by a TD and who would we be favored against?
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Well, I was looking at FPI and other stats, yes FPI can be silly, but one can sorta guess vegas odds on these things. I just figure we would be less than a TD dog against Clemson or maybe even, actually, Oklahoma. I don't know. It's a hunch.
just curious of the legitimate folks with a chance to get in... who are we not dogs too by a TD and who would we be favored against?
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But that isn't gonna happen - To get in Ohio State would have to put a 40+ point beatdown on Wisconsin and hope everything else breaks their way. It's not gonna happen.
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bukIpower
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Nah no way... we win by 14+ and it'll be tough to leave us out.
What is our knock? our horrible 31 point loss right? Here's what I was just thinking as a different way to think about us vs Bama.
1. the Auburn and the OU losses cancel out as they were very similar games against similar ranked teams.
2. We will have two top 10 wins vs 0 for Alabama
I feel our two great wins (provided we win this week) cancel out our one ugly loss. So with the two top ten wins cancelling out the lone bad loss you then have a conference champion up against a non conference champion.
OSU has that edge and should get the nod. That doesn't mean they'll for sure put us in but what I notice you're doing Mike is harping on our bad loss and not giving us credit for our good wins. Our wins are substantially better then anything Alabama has done, and our extra loss is substantially worse then anything Alabama has done. Again, two top 10 wins (again provided we win this week) have got to mean something.
If we boat race Wisconsin then forget it we are in.
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Bear in mind, as I was discussing with a buddy today, last year when they took non-conference champ Ohio State it was over Penn State. You know, Penn State... winner of the B1G. Which is to say, they didn't exclude some some other conference champ to get OSU into the pairings. Now, I realize that there is nothing that prevents two schools from one conference getting a bid. I just think it bears noting Bama's 2017 situation is not exactly on all fours with OSU 2016 season. Likewise, Ohio State didn't lose their last regular season game, Bama did. Not sure that's a particularly important point, as a loss in October is the same as a loss in November really... but... it just looks worse to lose your last game and still get in. That said, in 2003 OU lost it's last game (Big XII Championship - to Kansas State) and still made the BCS title game against LSU (which they lost (to Saban, no less)), so.. it's not unprecedented.
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bukIpower
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To take it further everyone keeps saying "well they did the eye contest with OSU last year so why not this year with Alabama"?
It wasn't any damned eye contest it was our resume. We beat OU, Wisconsin, Scum, and lost on the road on a blocked field goal to another top 10 team. Penn State didn't have the resume last year due only 2 top ten win. So now you fast forward to this year and you want to give Alabama the nod because they "pass the eye contest" in what game did they pass the eye contest?
1. Vandy- haha no.
2. Ole miss- I guess maybe but that's a 6 win team
3. Tennessee- come on now
4. Texas AM- one score game
5. MSU- one score game and were losing late
6. LSU- This is probably their best win, and they lost to Troy.
Shoot we failed the eye test last year if you look at how hot and cold we were in games (just like this year). Particularly if you put the eye contest compared to what PED was doing at year end
They went based off our RESUME last year to justify us getting in over the big ten champs, and IMO they'll do it again. If there's one thing that they've been consistent doing since 2014 its been rewarding WINS and they tend to forgive losses at the expense of who you've beaten. 2015 we were put behind two loss Stanford and Iowa for that that very reason and last year we moved past PED for that very reason.
All of this and I haven't even mentioned Alabama playing Mercer until now as an after thought.
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Where did I harp on the bad loss to Iowa?
For one, I'm not entirely convinced Ohio State is being Wisconsin anyway - but I didn't point at Iowa as the problem. The real problem to me is the Oklahoma loss. I think that will matter for more with the committee than the Iowa loss simply because it was a bad game - a bad loss that should have been far worse than it was on the scoreboard - where Ohio State was simply dominated from beginning to end by another potential playoff team. To a certain extent, that is a direct source of empirical data for the committee that denotes a playoff team (assuming Oklahoma wins against TCU) versus a team that is a borderline playoff team (Ohio State). The same issue hampers Alabama honestly. They looked bad against Auburn.
If they get in, they get in. But I don't think they will. I do think that the Ohio State team from last year is a misnomer - they had a signature win.
If the SEC SEC SEC title team is a close win for Auburn plus an Ohio State win against Wisconsin (again not anywhere near a certain deal), here is the 4 as I see it happening:
1. Clemson
2. Auburn
3. Oklahoma
4. UGA
I see Bama at 5 and Ohio State at 6 with Wisconsin 7, Ped State 8 and Cryami at 9 in this scenario.
But if you want to go there - since I didn't I will now - yes, don't fucking shit the bed against Iowa and this is a moot point on all levels. I don't think that matters nearly as much as the Oklahoma loss but it's what the mediots will point too.
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bukIpower
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So a two loss Georgia team with what signature win will pass the buckeyes with two top ten wins? A signature win is coming this Saturday if we pull it out Mike and even if Wisconsin was just a #13 ranked team we would've already had a signature win against #2 (now #8) PED.
No way a 2 loss Georgia team with their best win being Notre Dame gets in over an OSU team that has two top 10 victories. Just won't happen.
Only team that's keeping the buckeyes out if we win is Alabama.
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