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2017 College Football Playoffs (and Other Bowl Games)

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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Please keep in mind that you're comparing OSU's #3 OOC opponent to bama's #4. Your logic ignores that they should absolutely have a tougher top to bottom ooc schedule than OSU since OSU absolutely has a better conference schedule.
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One, although it appears the B1G is stronger this year than the SEC, if you go off of previous years the SEC has maybe been stronger than the B1G, so you can't build your OOC schedule that is done 6 to 10 years in advance based on how your conference schedule strength may or may not be.

Not to mention you cannot control how strong your conference schedule is anyway. Our 2019 OOC schedule is very very weak. In 2026 it appears our "tough" OOC game will be Boston College. If BC blows that year are you going to blame us for such a weak schedule. Or if Oregon stills sucks are we going to get hammered for scheduling them even though they were good when we scheduled them? Are we supposed to guess that our B1G schedule will be stronger than the SEC WEST Champs in 2026 so maybe we should add Okie State or another mid-level top 20 team instead of Miami of Ohio?
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
It's not an inference, @Hstead It's an objectively verifiable result. Again, it's not Alabama's fault that FSU sucked. But.. they still sucked. Much like it wasn't Ohio State's fault that Washington sucked in 2007.... didn't change the fact that OSU had to hear about how weak their schedule was all fucking year.
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There are a few posts that infer Bama schedules weak teams year in and year out, that is how I read them anyway. Was Bama's schedule weak this year, absolutely. Do they schedule bigger puds than we do OOC, year in and year out? No. I would say Bama and tOSU have similar OOC schedules for the most part every year. especially when you factor in that the schedules were made several years in advance.
 
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if the self fulfilling prophesy is that the SEC is the bestest and then they, therefore, are always one of the 2-4 teams playing in the games that decide who the best team is, of course they are going to look like the bestest. No other conference has that luxury. The narrative consistently gets flipped to their benefit year after year.
 
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If we're talking about blame, then no, OSU should not be rebuked for scheduling VT, nor Bama for FSU. If we're talking about resumes, FSU was a 3 loss team last year and it was a complete guess that they'd stop being average this year with Francois at the helm.
 
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Hstead said:
There are a few posts that infer Bama schedules weak teams year in and year out, that is how I read them anyway. Was Bama's schedule weak this year, absolutely. Do they schedule bigger puds than we do OOC, year in and year out? No. I would say Bama and tOSU have similar OOC schedules for the most part every year. especially when you factor in that the schedules were made several years in advance.
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Not exactly. Alabama does not travel to another teams stadium for an OOC game. It's a home game or it's a neutral site game.
 
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Bill Lucas said:
Not exactly. Alabama does not travel to another teams stadium for an OOC game. It's a home game or it's a neutral site game.
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that "neutral site" is either Atlanta or Dallas so its not like they are traveling far to play their games and definitely not outside the south
 
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Best way to fix this crap in my opinion, is to expand to 4, 16 team conferences, play real schedules with two divisions, two crossover game and 3 out of conference before CCG. Then the 4 conference winners are in the playoff.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Here are three big problems with what the committee did yesterday (and when I say "big," I mean "big" in terms of harm to the committee's reputation):

1. We have issues trusting what the committee tells us. CFP Chairman Kirby Hocutt said on Tuesday, November 28 that there was very little separation between Alabama at No. 5 and OSU at No. 8. In the six days following that statement, OSU defeated then-undefeated and No. 4 ranked Wisconsin on a neutral field, and, in the process, OSU won a conference championship. Also during that six plays, Alabama did not play again (and thus did not win a conference championship). On Sunday, December 3, the CFP executive director said that the vote between OSU and Alabama wasn't even "that close." What Hocutt said on November 28 really couldn't have been true.

2. The committee has issues with contravening precedent. The comparison of 2017 Alabama to 2016 Ohio State fails on a number of levels. Most obviously, the 2017 Alabama team had no quality wins of which to speak, with its best win coming against #17 LSU. In 2016, Ohio State had wins against #6 Michigan, #7 Oklahoma, and #8 Wisconsin. The best comparison to 2017 Alabama was 2015 Ohio State: each team went 11-1, lost late in the season (Alabama in its final game, OSU in its next-to-last game), and neither had quality wins (2017 Alabama beat #17 LSU and #23 Miss. St., 2015 OSU blew out#14 Michigan in Ann Arbor). 2015 OSU was left out.

3. The "eye test" or "fewer losses is better than better wins." Perhaps most troubling about the committee's decision yesterday was the subjectivity underlying its decision and/or that the committee's decision could be read as to reward teams who have weaker schedules but who lose less. OSU had the conference championship and by far and away the better "win" resume, with three victories (#6 Wisconsin, #9 Penn State and #16 Michigan State) that were better than Alabama's best win (#17 LSU). However, OSU had two losses (one against #2 Oklahoma, the other an atrocious loss to Iowa), whereas Alabama only had one (to #7 Auburn). That decision that losses matter more than wins could be troubling for the regular season as teams try to decide how to schedule based on gleaning information from the committee's decision. Also, the committee's decision is suggestive of the "eye test" playing a crucial role, which many college football fans will not like (even those fans of the beneficiaries of that test today who have foresight to realize they may not be the beneficiaries of it the next time it is applied).
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Agreed with all 3 points.

This puts even more of an emphasis on not watching the blithering idiots on the opinion shows on ESECSECSECPN (not an issue here I don't think) because they clearly have no idea what is going on within the committee. Even watching Lame Day or any of their selection shows are worthless now...it's clear conference championships don't matter a damn bit and actually aren't valued as highly as the blithering morons said they do - and oddly enough, Ohio State has proven this to be the case in 2 consecutive years and on both sides of the issue.

What we can hope for is the USC/Ohio State game gets great ratings and the regional playoff games the committee selected don't (which I think is likely). Even better, hope that Bama/Clemson 3 doesn't sell tickets and there are empty seats at the Sugar Bowl and also at the Rose Bowl....visuals matter apparently.
 
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Mike80 said:
and just think of the roster in 2019 - Haskins/Burrows/Martell may be entering their 2nd year as a starter, Dobbins will be a Junior and Heisman candidate and the defense will be absolutely LOADED with studs. They might not get scored on in any of those games - to include the Indiana game....
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Assuming Urban takes a step back away from the Offensive wheel AND we dont lose Wilson and/or Day... I suspect Wilson and or Day are gone after next year which means '19 will be starting over with new coordinators... which to be honest is getting a little annoying.
 
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ScriptOhio said:
College football bowl prediction season is always fun. With the start of the regular season nearing, CBS Sports’ Jerry Palm made his projections.

Palm came up with matchups for all bowl games. In the College Football Playoff, Palm predicted Alabama and Florida State would meet in one semifinal, Ohio State and Southern Cal in the other.

Big Ten bowl predictions
  • Ohio State: Rose Bowl (CFP semifinal) vs. Southern Cal
  • Wisconsin: Fiesta Bowl vs. Washington
  • Penn State: Orange Bowl vs. Clemson
  • Nebraska: Outback Bowl vs. Georgia
  • Northwestern: Music City Bowl vs. Kentucky
  • Michigan: Holiday Bowl vs. Oregon
  • Iowa: Pinstripe Bowl vs. Notre Dame
  • Minnesota: Foster Farms Bowl vs. UCLA
  • Indiana: Quick Lane Bowl vs. Old Dominion
  • Michigan State: Armed Forces Bowl vs. Army
Entire article: https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state/bowl-predictions-cbs-sports-big-ten-ohio-state-playoff
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Looking back at the post that began this thread:


Florida State in the CFP. Whoops! :lol:
Nebraska vs Georgia in the Outback - not even close.
He's got tOSU vs USC, but in the Rose Bowl semifinal.
Washington in the Fiesta is right, but the wrong opponent.

But the one that impressed me most was Northwestern vs Kentucky in the Music City Bowl. Nailed it.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
Assuming Urban takes a step back away from the Offensive wheel AND we dont lose Wilson and/or Day... I suspect Wilson and or Day are gone after next year which means '19 will be starting over with new coordinators... which to be honest is getting a little annoying.
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Life in the fast lane. You want good coordinators who know what they are doing, but at the same time, that means they are in a constant state of flux.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
If Bama had a quality resume I would agree. Their best win was a 2 score game against a 9-3 team that lost to Troy. OSU has 3 wins that are substantially better (psu and Wisconsin based on rankings and MSU based on margin of victory). That's the beef. If Bama had the resume of osu in 2016 you would see zero complaints from me and I'd imagine most people. They didn't.

I'll say this: I won't say they set a precedent for not having a tough OOC opponent, but they absolutely set a precedent to play an 8 team conference schedule And play an FCS in place of a 9th game. You look much better in the eye test vs Mercer than Iowa. And I don't just pick Iowa because that's the bad loss, but because it's a very likely game OSU doesn't play if they played 8 conference games since it's a crossover game.
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Exactly... Alabama had nothing to stand on other then "well they looked more consistent all year" and the easy counter is who have you played to "look good"

IMO you need to consider anyone's resume before you even think to consider who looks better. If that's how the committee felt then why not UCF? Undefeated, beat a ranked team (only 1 less then Alabama), played non conference games on the road, won their championship. Sure I know UCF benefited from their schedule but they looked damned strong doing it against garbage. Same as Alabama (also I know Alabama would destroy them).

It's easy to look better when you don't play many difficult games. Resume and results should've been taken into account well before the "eye test"
 
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