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Game Thread 2015 Sugar Bowl: (1) Alabama vs. (4) Ohio State, Jan 1st @ 8:30p ET, ESPN (civilized thread)

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Aubie414 said:
Alabama has always had issues pass protecting issues in my opinion, Lane Kiffin's offense seems to be a quick release style offense which has somewhat hid this issue this year but making Blake Sims hold the ball a little longer with your fast D-ends would cause havoc.... If ain't mistaken, going from memory only, Ole Miss and Arkansas were able to stop Lane's quick passing patterns, forcing bama to try plays which involved holding the ball a little longer and we know how those games turned out... ( Loss to Ole Miss... and a 14 to 13 victory for Bama).

I must admit though, their DB's lost the Ole Miss game though.
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Perception doesn't always equal reality.

IF you are talking about that quick out pass that's behind the line of scrimmage Sims has thrown 55 completions like that this season. Completions over 10 yards? 54.

Wallace did throw for three TD's in Oxford this year. However, I would not lay the loss on the defensive backs. That loss, like a lot of those Bama has suffered over the last several years, came as a result of turnovers.

If there is one thing you can say about the Tide it's consistency. As example, since 2008 Bama is 68-1 when rushing for 150 yards or more. The loss against Ole Miss is the one outlier.

On the flip side, when you look at the 10 losses over the same period, you'll find that if the Tide has had two or more turnovers in those losses. There's one outlier here as well, the loss to UofSC in 2010.

Another constant in the Bama losses is QB play. In those 10 losses, only one has had a QB that didn't have a really hot hand—LSU, 2011, and we all know about the field goals in that game that were missed.

In the other nine games the QB has had an efficiency rating of at least 158. Four of those 10 quarterbacks had career high games. (Three were Heisman trophy winners, FWIW.)

If you look at these losses it's pretty simple: get the Bama team to turn the ball over at least twice, and have your quarterback have an outstanding day.
 
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freelancewirter said:
If there is one thing you can say about the Tide it's consistency. As example, since 2008 Bama is 68-1 when rushing for 150 yards or more. The loss against Ole Miss is the one outlier.
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Bama has found ways to win when they have run for less than 150, but it's not pretty. They only had 66 Rush yds against Arkansas. People say Arkansas covered Cooper well that game, but it was really that their DL dominated the Bama OL without ryan kelly. They gave sims no time to throw and were able to stop the run.
 
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freelancewirter said:
.Perception doesn't always equal reality

IF you are talking about that quick out pass that's behind the line of scrimmage Sims has thrown 55 completions like that this season. Completions over 10 yards? 54.

Wallace did throw for three TD's in Oxford this year. However, I would not lay the loss on the defensive backs. That loss, like a lot of those Bama has suffered over the last several years, came as a result of turnovers.

If there is one thing you can say about the Tide it's consistency. As example, since 2008 Bama is 68-1 when rushing for 150 yards or more. The loss against Ole Miss is the one outlier.

On the flip side, when you look at the 10 losses over the same period, you'll find that if the Tide has had two or more turnovers in those losses. There's one outlier here as well, the loss to UofSC in 2010.

Another constant in the Bama losses is QB play. In those 10 losses, only one has had a QB that didn't have a really hot hand—LSU, 2011, and we all know about the field goals in that game that were missed.

In the other nine games the QB has had an efficiency rating of at least 158. Four of those 10 quarterbacks had career high games. (Three were Heisman trophy winners, FWIW.)

If you look at these losses it's pretty simple: get the Bama team to turn the ball over at least twice, and have your quarterback have an outstanding day.
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Actually, we both are right with the Ole Miss loss.

Alabama had a 17 to 10 lead with 5 or 6 minutes left to play in the 4th, then allowed 2 touchdowns because their dbs had issues defending wide receiver bunch sets.... the last bunch set touchdown was preceded by a fumble though.

The first bunch set touchdown I think was between a 30 or 40 yard pass and even though the fumble happened, the only reason they scored their last touchdown was because they ran a play with a bunch formation concept that confused the dbs. I say the dbs lost the game, you say the turnover... just one man's opinion vs another.
 
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"Hopefully he'll continue to progress," Saban said as Alabama arrived in New Orleans on Saturday afternoon. "He had a significant amount of time off but he seems to be making progress now and I'm hopeful that he'll be able to make a contribution in the game."

From al.com
 
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Tidbits on the today's practice and conferences so far:

- Jeff Greene is playing the part of Amari Cooper in the bowl practice.

- Alabama Defensive Coordinator, Kirby Smart just said that "several Big Ten coaches shared information with Alabama on Ohio State."
 
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Aubie414 said:
Actually, we both are right with the Ole Miss loss.

Alabama had a 17 to 10 lead with 5 or 6 minutes left to play in the 4th, then allowed 2 touchdowns because their dbs had issues defending wide receiver bunch sets.... the last bunch set touchdown was preceded by a fumble though.

The first bunch set touchdown I think was between a 30 or 40 yard pass and even though the fumble happened, the only reason they scored their last touchdown was because they ran a play with a bunch formation concept that confused the dbs. I say the dbs lost the game, you say the turnover... just one man's opinion vs another.
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Okay, now I'm starting to understand you.

You're right in a sense. However, what you're saying here is merely repeating how Gary Danielson called the game.

On the last two drives there were no bunch sets. There were two plays called early in the game that resembled a diamond formation sans the back receiver.

The passing play that scored, the one that tied the game, came out of a what's called a "Trips" to "Ace" package: it's essentially three wide to one side, one wide to the other. Ole Miss went three wide to the right with a Y receiver (slot) and H (H back off the line) and a Z (off the line outside of the H.) They had Treadwell in that Z position and he came back to the QB pulling the safety in and allowing the H to get behind the coverage.

The second score, again not out of a bunch, came with Treadwell faking the same thing and Wallace hit a RB out of the backfield.

Danielson, when describing that last play, made mention of it being a bunch play. He was wrong. Treadwell fakes the end round again, RB slips out of the backfield for the touchdown. The move Treadwell made pulls the linebacker inside. Easy stuff here...running backs out of the backfield are covered by linebackers when you've got four wides in the game.

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Ole Miss scores to tie the game.
On the following kickoff there's a fumble.
Ole Miss scores.
Bama gets the ball back and drives down to around the 30 yard line with roughly forty seconds left.
An interception is thrown.

I guess you can call this post an opinion.
 
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