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2015-2016 Ohio State Men's Basketball (Official Thread)

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Jake said:
How in the hell did this turn into a Tressel vs Urban thread? :roll1:
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I was pissed at watching a team that looked a little uninspired and lazy. I know that the body fat of some Buckeyes in the last few NBA drafts were WAY too high. I know D Loading said (as did Lyle yesterday) that some players aren't giving their all. I made a comparison to some similar attributes to some of the last Tress classes. The previous class with Shannon Scott, Amir, etc never reached their potential. I hope it doesn't happen again with these youngsters. In looking at how Urb demands players to go from A>B as hard as possible, how coach Mick is shaping their bodies and how the current staff had to develop a previously non existent dietary department I thought the hoops squad could use some of that intensity. Before Urb came in, those areas were lacking.
 
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I think Coach Matta deserves a pass this season given the extreme inexperience and youth of the squad, along with the unexpected (at the outset of 2014-15) departure of D'Angelo Russell.

He will not deserve a pass next season should we not see substantial improvement.
 
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I think Matta did about what he could with what he had and with injuries. When you start thinking about someone who could do better, who would that be?

Here is where I have grave concerns about him. They have a commit from a junior, the Westerville South post guy, who I watched in the state championship game last Saturday. It's one game, I know, but Lima Sr didn't have anyone to match his size, girth, and strength, and he produced 7 points, a few rebounds, and a lot of foul trouble. He wasn't particularly quick, didn't jump well, and his instincts didn't look all that good. Rather than looking like a legit B1G post player, he looked more like a decent right guard prospect for Urban Meyer. A friend of mine has a son that plays AAU with the guy. He said when OSU offered, everyone's eyebrows raised. If you can't handle Lima Sr, you might have more problems scoring and defending against Sparty. Those scholarships are precious. You can't waste them on projects. Maybe Matta and staff know something about this kid everyone else doesn't, but all the evidence points to this being a serious mistake.
 
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OSUK said:
I think Matta did about what he could with what he had and with injuries. When you start thinking about someone who could do better, who would that be?

Here is where I have grave concerns about him. They have a commit from a junior, the Westerville South post guy, who I watched in the state championship game last Saturday. It's one game, I know, but Lima Sr didn't have anyone to match his size, girth, and strength, and he produced 7 points, a few rebounds, and a lot of foul trouble. He wasn't particularly quick, didn't jump well, and his instincts didn't look all that good. Rather than looking like a legit B1G post player, he looked more like a decent right guard prospect for Urban Meyer. A friend of mine has a son that plays AAU with the guy. He said when OSU offered, everyone's eyebrows raised. If you can't handle Lima Sr, you might have more problems scoring and defending against Sparty. Those scholarships are precious. You can't waste them on projects. Maybe Matta and staff know something about this kid everyone else doesn't, but all the evidence points to this being a serious mistake.
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You make a good point, though ultimately how good a coach's recruiting has been will become manifest only later, on the court. Nonetheless, I've become increasingly concerned over Coach Matta's recruiting over the past several seasons. It seems to me to be on the decline. Hope I'm as wrong about that as I am about many other things.
 
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I will say, it's hard to recruit these days because the best players are one and done. So, young elite talent puts you in position, but unless it's extraordinary, takes coaching, and maybe has some upper classman guidance, it can't take you all the way (See Kentucky - although Duke did pretty good with it last year). Or you can be a developmental program where you take the best of the non-one and doners you can find, redshirt, and try to get a group of juniors and seniors with some young talent mixed in to take you to the top of the sport. I'm not sure which I would prefer if I were a coach, but I do tend to lean toward having more players like Russell last year because it's exciting and puts you in the mix. It's pretty discouraging when you look out there and think, "We are 2 elite players away from being able to compete with the best teams in the B1G and nationally."
 
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OSUK said:
I think Matta did about what he could with what he had and with injuries. When you start thinking about someone who could do better, who would that be?

Here is where I have grave concerns about him. They have a commit from a junior, the Westerville South post guy, who I watched in the state championship game last Saturday. It's one game, I know, but Lima Sr didn't have anyone to match his size, girth, and strength, and he produced 7 points, a few rebounds, and a lot of foul trouble. He wasn't particularly quick, didn't jump well, and his instincts didn't look all that good. Rather than looking like a legit B1G post player, he looked more like a decent right guard prospect for Urban Meyer. A friend of mine has a son that plays AAU with the guy. He said when OSU offered, everyone's eyebrows raised. If you can't handle Lima Sr, you might have more problems scoring and defending against Sparty. Those scholarships are precious. You can't waste them on projects. Maybe Matta and staff know something about this kid everyone else doesn't, but all the evidence points to this being a serious mistake.
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Well, he was rated as a 4* OT by some of the football recruiting services so maybe you have a point with regard to him looking like a football player. He is only a junior and has a lot of time to develop his game and I am sure that his father will help him out in addition to playing in the AAU circuit this summer.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
I was pissed at watching a team that looked a little uninspired and lazy. I know that the body fat of some Buckeyes in the last few NBA drafts were WAY too high. I know D Loading said (as did Lyle yesterday) that some players aren't giving their all. I made a comparison to some similar attributes to some of the last Tress classes. The previous class with Shannon Scott, Amir, etc never reached their potential. I hope it doesn't happen again with these youngsters. In looking at how Urb demands players to go from A>B as hard as possible, how coach Mick is shaping their bodies and how the current staff had to develop a previously non existent dietary department I thought the hoops squad could use some of that intensity. Before Urb came in, those areas were lacking.
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A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked to make a point rather than to elicit an answer.
 
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