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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

One guy's analysis....

Ohio State should start Cardale Jones against Virginia Tech

Ohio State had a lot of handy reasons for its home defeat against Virginia Tech in 2014, the only stain on its championship season. Backup quarterback J.T. Barrett was playing only his second game, with his first contest having come against Navy, hardly adequate prep for Bud Foster's Hokie defense. And he was behind a still-young offensive line.

If the Hokies again upset the loaded Buckeyes, this time at Virginia Tech on Labor Day (8 p.m. ET, ESPN), would Ohio State have new circumstances to point to? OSU has suspended pass rush freak Joey Bosa and a handful of offensive weapons for the game, meaning VT won't get the full-strength Buckeyes. They'll also be dealing with another QB drama, as Cardale Jones vs. Barrett could see its resolution in Blacksburg.

This Virginia Tech team brings real and unique challenges, including potentially the country's best defense, so OSU fans should keep those situations in mind, just in case. The quarterback situation is critical, but first ...

Offensive challenges from the Hokies. Yes, the Hokies.

With two solid tight ends, a versatile fullback, a few experienced linemen, and seven of eight overall leading receivers back, the Hokies have the chance to build a decent passing game. Especially with a QB who made a few plays in Columbus last year.

Conversely, the Buckeyes will be without one of the best pass rushers in the nation -- Bosa had 1.5 sacks against VT -- and have to replace starting boundary cornerback Doran Grant, who had a huge role in Chris Ash's cover 4 defense.
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Rather than trying to out-scheme a veteran eight-man box, Meyer's best bet is to start Jones and force the Hokies to play at least one deep defender or risk getting ripped to pieces with slant and sluggo routes.

Whatever Meyer's plan is, the Hokies' aggressive defense will force answers to questions of, say, whether Braxton Miller is ready to beat good coverage and which Buckeye QB brings a higher upside.

If Ohio State struggles with these questions, another march to the Playoff could be in doubt by Tuesday morning. Or the Buckeyes could even have to play from behind all season, again.

Entire article: http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...-barrett?_ga=1.209124754.125017259.1436115714

 
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2015 SEASON PREVIEW:QUARTERBACK BATTLE HIGHLIGHTS POSITION OF STRENGTH FOR OHIO STATE

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Urban Meyer's said time and again he's never been a part of a battle like this before. He's thought about it, but struggled to put a finger on a time in his career where his best options at the most important position on the field are both more than competent.

"I'm trying to think if we've ever had to do that where it's 50/50. I don't think we've ever had. Comments on the Chris Leak/Tim Tebow dilemma that we had, those are two different skill sets at the time along with different offenses. This one? I think it's going to be 50/50 so I think it's going to be a work in progress," Meyer said Aug. 10, the first day of Ohio State fall camp. "Our objective is, first dozen practices, 50/50 right down the middle. Have we ever done that before? I can't think we have."

Leak and Tebow feverishly led Meyer and the 2006 Florida Gators to a 13-1 campaign that ended with a 41-14 stomping of Jim Tressel's Ohio State Buckeyes in the BCS National Championship game. They did that by splitting time, a work of art put in place by Meyer and then-offensive coordinator Dan Mullen.

J.T. Barrett and Cardale Jones are the two individuals duking it out throughout the drudgery that is fall camp to earn the nod as the leading signal caller for the Buckeyes in 2015. That, of course, is after Braxton Miller decided to move to H-back with his surgically repaired shoulder not 100 percent.

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...erback-battle-highlights-position-of-strength
 
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2015 SEASON PREVIEW: THE CASE FOR CARDALE JONES

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This time last year, Cardale Jones was in the process of losing a job he already earned. Urban Meyer announced at Big Ten Media Days the 6'5" trebuchet from Glenville earned the backup role in the spring.

Camp 2014, much like Cardale's entire career, didn't go according to plan. All 12 gauges were relegated to the bench by a redshirt freshman who would become the Big Ten Freshman of the Year and lead Ohio State to its second conference title game in as many years.

J.T. Barrett was lost for the season, however, after suffering an ankle injury on a (rare) misread of a read-option during the first play of the fourth quarter against Michigan.

Ohio State led 28-21 and faced third-and-one on its own 33 when Cardale Jones — then only of "I ain't come here to play school" infamy — sauntered onto the field.

Two plays later Michigan had the ball with an opportunity to tie or take the lead.

After the Silver Bullets staved off the Wolverine attack, Ohio State never looked back. It took Cardale Jones and Ezekiel Elliott a mere seven plays to drive the ball 80 yards to paydirt. A few minutes later, Darron Lee held Michigan's heart above his head in the endzone.

It was only the beginning of Ohio State's metamorphosis into world-beaters.

Wisconsin was dead on arrival; Alabama faded late; Oregon got bullied, and Cardale Jones, who orchestrated six postseason touchdowns, performed admirably against all three Top-15 defenses. Not bad work for a guy who had previously never started a game at Ohio State.

That alone would be enough to secure next year's starting role anywhere outside of Columbus. Yet even after Braxton Miller bowed out of #QBgeddon, Dolodale's current Heisman odds (16:1) are worse than J.T. Barrett's (14:1). Eight out of ten of our polled readers predicted J.T. Barrett over Cardale as well.

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...015-season-preview-the-case-for-cardale-jones
 
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It can "bite you" moreso when you have a truly great QB and a mediocre at best QB on your roster inexplicably splitting time. However, that is not the case here.

Posted that article without comment because I wasn't going to pile on Stanley Jackson. Obviously he had some maturity issues early on, and his pouting during the final drive at the Rose Bowl compounded the problems.

That said, he was also one of the first guys off the bench to high five Germaine after that 72 yard TD to Demitirous that retook the lead in the Rose Bowl, and he now admits they'd be national champs if Germaine had the job from game one.

He does a good job on BTN and has been a good representative of the University. Let 'em live.
 
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One guy's analysis....

Ohio State should start Cardale Jones against Virginia Tech

Ohio State had a lot of handy reasons for its home defeat against Virginia Tech in 2014, the only stain on its championship season. Backup quarterback J.T. Barrett was playing only his second game, with his first contest having come against Navy, hardly adequate prep for Bud Foster's Hokie defense. And he was behind a still-young offensive line.

If the Hokies again upset the loaded Buckeyes, this time at Virginia Tech on Labor Day (8 p.m. ET, ESPN), would Ohio State have new circumstances to point to? OSU has suspended pass rush freak Joey Bosa and a handful of offensive weapons for the game, meaning VT won't get the full-strength Buckeyes. They'll also be dealing with another QB drama, as Cardale Jones vs. Barrett could see its resolution in Blacksburg.

This Virginia Tech team brings real and unique challenges, including potentially the country's best defense, so OSU fans should keep those situations in mind, just in case. The quarterback situation is critical, but first ...

Offensive challenges from the Hokies. Yes, the Hokies.

With two solid tight ends, a versatile fullback, a few experienced linemen, and seven of eight overall leading receivers back, the Hokies have the chance to build a decent passing game. Especially with a QB who made a few plays in Columbus last year.

Conversely, the Buckeyes will be without one of the best pass rushers in the nation -- Bosa had 1.5 sacks against VT -- and have to replace starting boundary cornerback Doran Grant, who had a huge role in Chris Ash's cover 4 defense.
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Rather than trying to out-scheme a veteran eight-man box, Meyer's best bet is to start Jones and force the Hokies to play at least one deep defender or risk getting ripped to pieces with slant and sluggo routes.

Whatever Meyer's plan is, the Hokies' aggressive defense will force answers to questions of, say, whether Braxton Miller is ready to beat good coverage and which Buckeye QB brings a higher upside.

If Ohio State struggles with these questions, another march to the Playoff could be in doubt by Tuesday morning. Or the Buckeyes could even have to play from behind all season, again.

Entire article: http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...-barrett?_ga=1.209124754.125017259.1436115714

2015 SEASON PREVIEW: THE CASE FOR CARDALE JONES

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This time last year, Cardale Jones was in the process of losing a job he already earned. Urban Meyer announced at Big Ten Media Days the 6'5" trebuchet from Glenville earned the backup role in the spring.

Camp 2014, much like Cardale's entire career, didn't go according to plan. All 12 gauges were relegated to the bench by a redshirt freshman who would become the Big Ten Freshman of the Year and lead Ohio State to its second conference title game in as many years.

J.T. Barrett was lost for the season, however, after suffering an ankle injury on a (rare) misread of a read-option during the first play of the fourth quarter against Michigan.

Ohio State led 28-21 and faced third-and-one on its own 33 when Cardale Jones — then only of "I ain't come here to play school" infamy — sauntered onto the field.

Two plays later Michigan had the ball with an opportunity to tie or take the lead.

After the Silver Bullets staved off the Wolverine attack, Ohio State never looked back. It took Cardale Jones and Ezekiel Elliott a mere seven plays to drive the ball 80 yards to paydirt. A few minutes later, Darron Lee held Michigan's heart above his head in the endzone.

It was only the beginning of Ohio State's metamorphosis into world-beaters.

Wisconsin was dead on arrival; Alabama faded late; Oregon got bullied, and Cardale Jones, who orchestrated six postseason touchdowns, performed admirably against all three Top-15 defenses. Not bad work for a guy who had previously never started a game at Ohio State.

That alone would be enough to secure next year's starting role anywhere outside of Columbus. Yet even after Braxton Miller bowed out of #QBgeddon, Dolodale's current Heisman odds (16:1) are worse than J.T. Barrett's (14:1). Eight out of ten of our polled readers predicted J.T. Barrett over Cardale as well.

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...015-season-preview-the-case-for-cardale-jones

The one thing that sticks with me about Cardales run that gives me pause on anointing him the 2015 starter is the loss of his security blanket in Devin Smith. Jones can certainly fire the 25-30 yard seams with more velocity and on a flatter plane than Barrett, but his deep bombs were almost all 50/50 balls that improbably ALL had positive outcomes.

One of them was so bad Devin managed to play it rightly into a PI call. Three were by way of two different Wisconsin DBs sucking and an Alabama defender falling down. Another was badly under thrown resulting in Devin being tackled short of the goal line. Of the seven or eight deep shots, really only two were dropped in the bucket.

If two of those had been INTs, this conversation isn't happening. Cardale has to throw the deep ball on time otherwise his strengths are neglible compared to Barrett. The fact he can uncork a 70 yarder is only useful on the last play of the game when trailing by 8 points or less.

If Barrett is dropping deep dimes like he did against Michigan St, I don't see how he doesn't win the job.

As for who is best against Va Tech, Barrett has seen their defense and all the copycat defenses that he eventually solved. Jones has not.
 
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The one thing that sticks with me about Cardales run that gives me pause on anointing him the 2015 starter is the loss of his security blanket in Devin Smith. Jones can certainly fire the 25-30 yard seams with more velocity and on a flatter plane than Barrett, but his deep bombs were almost all 50/50 balls that improbably ALL had positive outcomes.

One of them was so bad Devin managed to play it rightly into a PI call. Three were by way of two different Wisconsin DBs sucking and an Alabama defender falling down. Another was badly under thrown resulting in Devin being tackled short of the goal line. Of the seven or eight deep shots, really only two were dropped in the bucket.

If two of those had been INTs, this conversation isn't happening. Cardale has to throw the deep ball on time otherwise his strengths are neglible compared to Barrett. The fact he can uncork a 70 yarder is only useful on the last play of the game when trailing by 8 points or less.

If Barrett is dropping deep dimes like he did against Michigan St, I don't see how he doesn't win the job.

As for who is best against Va Tech, Barrett has seen their defense and all the copycat defenses that he eventually solved. Jones has not.


And that my friends is why he is a Head Coach in waiting!! Great points!!
 
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If Barrett is dropping deep dimes like he did against Michigan St, I don't see how he doesn't win the job.

As for who is best against Va Tech, Barrett has seen their defense and all the copycat defenses that he eventually solved. Jones has not.
Not to mention that he's had this game circled since last year's game clock read 0:00...
 
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Despite who the QB is we now have one of the best OL in CFB. EE is arguably the best RB in CFB. Braxton Miller will be on the field this time around. How is the VT defense going to game plan for his presence on the field? This is going to be a statement game for the BUCKS.
 
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#TeamCardale or #TeamBarrett? A look who'll start at quarterback for Ohio State

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Now that the Ohio State QB race is a two-man contest, and now that the Buckeyes are practicing in earnest, the national football media has started to pick their horse. Here's a collection of some of the prophecies about the Buckeyes starting QB job.

Ohio State's QB battle rages on, but the media is starting to weigh in with their picks for the Buckeye's starting quarterback. Here's a round-up of some of what's been said so far -- we'll see who's right on Labor Day and at the end of the season.

Entire article: http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...terback-controversy-cardale-jones-j-t-barrett

A summary of who (i.e. writers) is picking who (Cardale or JT) and why.
 
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Posted that article without comment because I wasn't going to pile on Stanley Jackson. Obviously he had some maturity issues early on, and his pouting during the final drive at the Rose Bowl compounded the problems.

That said, he was also one of the first guys off the bench to high five Germaine after that 72 yard TD to Demitirous that retook the lead in the Rose Bowl, and he now admits they'd be national champs if Germaine had the job from game one.

He does a good job on BTN and has been a good representative of the University. Let 'em live.

Oh I have zero issues with Stanley, he is a true Buckeye in my book. My issue is with John Cooper there because there should have never been a QB controversy.
 
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The Cooper two QB system clearly had Jackson playing under too much pressure and fear of making a mistake so he couldn't go out with any confidence and just play and let it rip. He tried to force it and make things happen because he knew if he made a mistake he was coming out. I blame Cooper as well and said so all that year. You could see it plain as day, Jackson mentally was not ready to play under the circumstances.
 
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2015 SEASON PREVIEW: THE CASE FOR J.T. BARRETT

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J.T. Barrett's been in this situation before. He didn't like it, because it didn't provide him with all the snaps at quarterback for Rider High School in Wichita Falls, Texas.

He was in the situation again (in a somewhat lesser capacity) during his redshirt freshman season at Ohio State, pitted against Cardale Jones for the right to backup Braxton Miller at quarterback in 2014. He won that battle, eventually thrust into the spotlight once Miller's throwing shoulder failed him again 12 days before the season opener against Navy.

"The offense moves better when he's in there," former quarterbacks coach Tom Herman said of Barrett, even before Miller's injury. "You can throw all the completion percentages – he's probably completing more balls and making more of the right reads in the run game."

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...5/2015-season-preview-the-case-for-jt-barrett
 
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URBAN MEYER ON #QBGEDDON: 'WE MAY PLAY TWO THIS YEAR'

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Wednesday night's Scarlet and Gray Days got bumped by Noah Brown's season-ending leg fracture, but it did catch Urban Meyer with some interesting quotes about #QBgeddon.

On the leadership differences (and similarities) between his two quarterbacks:

“Of all the great players I’ve ever been around, J.T. has the DNA of a leader. Some kids are born with it, some you have to develop. I think Cardale was born with it, too, but we’re pulling it out of him."

Here, Meyer's words about J.T. Barrett's leadership could be carved into concrete. It seems like it's an ongoing process with Cardale, but even that is a testament to how far the Cleveland bomb thrower has come.

Meyer didn't stop there, either. Speaking from a couches' lounge on Monday night, Meyer offered a timeframe on his decision:

"They’re going to split reps 50-50 all the way up to next week. I’m going to look at all of the statistical data from the first week of practice and in our own mind, we’ll start making some hard evaluations."

Meyer also hinted that neither quarterback could be truly relegated to the bench:

“I’m not even sure how we’re going to do it. We may play two this year."

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...n-meyer-on-qbgeddon-we-may-play-two-this-year
 
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