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2014 tOSU Wide Receiver Discussion

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bukIpower said:
Dude exactly. Wouldn't it have been nice if our coaches gave a BIG FUCK YOU to Bud Foster and ran something like a trips or a five wide or (gasps) two tight end and a QB under center running off tackle? Here they are they spend all this time game planning for our base offense and then we just simply don't run it. Talk about forcing a team to scramble they spend 100 percent of their time stopping our zone read out of base and we stroll out 5 wides. Yet after the game we get comments like "running the ball wasn't going to happen" and "Impossible to run the ball" ok? So we can't run the ball according to them but we can continue doing play action in the same formation they devised to stop for 9 damn months? If their game plan was as brilliant as they thought it was and they couldn't figure a way to go through it then just go the fuck around it.

We go 6 deep at WR I thought so going 5 wide shouldn't be an issue. Like you said RB we need to mix it up and get our speed/athletes in space and I tell you what I like our odds on a quick slant to Dontre where the Linebacker use to be (blitzing) with room to run cutting across the defense.

There's lots of way we can run the zone reads, inside power, and Jet sweeps. If we can't do it from base then just move on and do it from another formation to force the other team to adjust.
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Yep and when we throw them off their 8 man in the box defense, we can get back to running the zone read a decent bit. If you mix in some quick passes, it will at least get them out of that formation.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Yep and when we throw them off their 8 man in the box defense, we can get back to running the zone read a decent bit. If you mix in some quick passes, it will at least get them out of that formation.
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That's what I'm thinking too. Many ways we can run our base run plays without being in our base formation.

As for Dontre catching the ball Jwins you make a very valid point. Straight up the WR's need to catch the ball, and most importantly we need one of our skill guys to for once make someone miss and go for 40+ yards. Until someone does that consistently no one will be afraid of our receivers in space. However, at the same time though I do expect Tom Herman to be more creative and find ways to put these players in the position to do so. If dontre is running a jet sweep into a 9 man front no shit he's not taking it to the house.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I'm not going to continue to argue with a moron. You really think the staff sat on the sidelines and thought, "Damn, they guessed our gameplan, no sense in making adjustments." Just because you couldn't pick it up doesn't mean it's didn't happen. By the way, a game is made from a continuous series of "single plays", and any single play can switch momentum, reveal weaknesses, and change how the opposition attacks. You may want video game ZOMG!! 8 wideouts!!11!, or superblitz everyone!!11!!, but that's just not the answer. By the way, my real job dwarfs anything for which you'll ever qualify...
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The fact was we didn't have an answer to what we knew they were going to do. I said single plays because you mentioned two plays specifically and the S at the end means it's plural. You've yet to make valid points about anything logical in the game. But whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better. By the way I'm an engineer at Honda, a 2 time all MAC performer and I'm working on building a house. Don't really have time to respond to you but it's funny to watch how worked up you get.
 
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buckeye4ever21 said:
The fact was we didn't have an answer to what we knew they were going to do. I said single plays because you mentioned two plays specifically and the S at the end means it's plural. You've yet to make valid points about anything logical in the game. But whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better. By the way I'm an engineer at Honda, a 2 time all MAC performer and I'm working on building a house. Don't really have time to respond to you but it's funny to watch how worked up you get.
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Btw the guys coaching on the sidelines are actual football coaches. ...with years of experience doing just that. I suspect they saw everything you did and a great deal more. And yet somehow you know...even after the coaches watch the film. You know how to blow that defense up and know how to exploit them with the offense that we have. That YOU know how our current roster will react to plays and YOU know how to get them to play within themselves and beat VT. You've never met one of these guys but you can design the plays to beat them.

Just amazing.
 
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bukIpower said:
Dude exactly. Wouldn't it have been nice if our coaches gave a BIG FUCK YOU to Bud Foster and ran something like a trips or a five wide or (gasps) two tight end and a QB under center running off tackle? Here they are they spend all this time game planning for our base offense and then we just simply don't run it. Talk about forcing a team to scramble they spend 100 percent of their time stopping our zone read out of base and we stroll out 5 wides. Yet after the game we get comments like "running the ball wasn't going to happen" and "Impossible to run the ball" ok? So we can't run the ball according to them but we can continue doing play action in the same formation they devised to stop for 9 damn months? If their game plan was as brilliant as they thought it was and they couldn't figure a way to go through it then just go the fuck around it.

We go 6 deep at WR I thought so going 5 wide shouldn't be an issue. Like you said RB we need to mix it up and get our speed/athletes in space and I tell you what I like our odds on a quick slant to Dontre where the Linebacker use to be (blitzing) with room to run cutting across the defense.

There's lots of way we can run the zone reads, inside power, and Jet sweeps. If we can't do it from base then just move on and do it from another formation to force the other team to adjust.
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This sounds good in theory and I would have loved for it to happen this way. I'm just not sure how practical it was. This team is incorporating a lot of new players on that side of the ball. They have struggled executing the base offense. While there's something to be said for tactically putting the team in a position to be more successful, from an executional standpoint I'm not sure this group could have handled that yet.

The counterpoint to this is the post-mortem of the Navy game. The consensus was that the offense got better when they simplified things and got back to basics. That's not to say that the gameplan has to be one-size-fits-all, but I think the reason that worked against Navy is because the group was not ready to run an expanded playbook, not because it was a bad matchup.

Also, this kind of thing is where the schedule really becomes a factor. It would have been much easier to do what you called for if they didn't have to prepare to play a tough Navy team. I realize that most of that concern is with a defense facing an exotic offense, but the offense couldn't prepare a week ahead either.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
WatchESPN, so I can't rewind, but looks like he had about 4 defenders around him. Yes, the receiver should have caught that, just heavily defended with a guy draped all over him.
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Of course there were a lot of defenders around, we were in the redzone where there is far less space to work with. Point is Barrett threw a perfect strike in stride with the WR who dropped it. Could there have been better options? Maybe, but that was a text book throw that should be a catch EVERY time.
 
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