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2014 tOSU Defense Discussion

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Seemed OSU schemed to eliminate Coleman and took their chances that Diamont couldn't beat them. Coleman did bust the 90 yard run where Grant and Perry both went into the same gap and Powell took a terrible pursuit angle, and Coleman hit the 52 yard run at the end against the prevent. Outside those two plays, he had 86 yards on his other 25 carries.

Gameplan appeared sound, execution was lacking. Don't turn the football over, make your FGs, and this is a 59-24 game.
 
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Buckeyecty4 said:
I'll say what I said last week.

Tyvis Powell is struggling vs the run. He's taking poor angles and he's never been a strong tackler. He's been pretty poor the last three games outings and I don't know how he's keeping his job next year with Erick Smith on the roster.

Also, our LBs are just not up to snuff against the run and it's been the case the last three weeks. They show flashes but there is no consistency which leads to huge chunks being ripped off at times. Curtis Grant and Darron Lee are not playing winning football vs the run right now and Perry, who I thought played well today, it still not as technically sound as we've grown accustomed to our LBs being.. That 90 yard TD today was an example of Perry and Grant not being in sync.. They both looked to fill the same whole.. If they watch the tape they'll probably see that Perry should have gotten outside leverage and forced the RB back inside where Grant was filling... Perry ended up staying inside and it led to an untouched 90 yard run, after Powell took a brutal angle in his attempt to clean up the play..

Complicating matters is that Ash has shown that he's not going to add extra people to the box just to slow the run down. He's pretty set on providing help to his CBs vs the pass, so we're seeing a lot of 6 and 7 guys in the box. I get this against balanced teams but vs Minnesota and Indiana we're dealing with two QBs who can't throw.. would have been more than willing to let our corners man up a little more vs these teams and stick an extra hat in the box. He's putting a lot of pressure on the front 4 and then the 2-3 LBs (a lot of time Lee is out in the slot) to play perfect cause when our guys get blocked up, there is no DB to serve as an extra hat because they are really focusing on preventing pass completions.

Vs Wisconsin he better make an adjustment because we're gonna give up some huge plays if we just keep doing what we've been doing
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This.

Regarding Powell's tackling issues, Mike Doss, Nate Salley, and Donte Whitner agree. I'm sorry to be that guy, I know Tyvis is a great kid, but our safety play has been just plain soft the past 4 years, which is not what Ohio State football is known for - it's becoming more and more difficult to accept.

How do we fare against Oregon if we had to play them? I just don't know.
 
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The last drive by Indiana...Indiana was basically telling Fick ...WE Are Not Going to Pass the Ball....We Are NOT...
All they had to do was stand four linemen and stack three LB's in the gaps between the four linemen. Just stand there and wait. Fick goes nuts and opens a garage size gap right up the middle for them. Coach really needs to go and get a real DC and stop this silly stuff.
 
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Dryden said:
Seemed OSU schemed to eliminate Coleman and took their chances that Diamont couldn't beat them. Coleman did bust the 90 yard run where Grant and Perry both went into the same gap and Powell took a terrible pursuit angle, and Coleman hit the 52 yard run at the end against the prevent. Outside those two plays, he had 86 yards on his other 25 carries.

Gameplan appeared sound, execution was lacking. Don't turn the football over, make your FGs, and this is a 59-24 game.
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So much this.

Sure there are consistent execution problems that need to be continuously addressed...

...but overall this defense played well and ultimately only succumbed to an all-american talent on a few big busted plays.
 
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Dryden said:
Seemed OSU schemed to eliminate Coleman and took their chances that Diamont couldn't beat them. Coleman did bust the 90 yard run where Grant and Perry both went into the same gap and Powell took a terrible pursuit angle, and Coleman hit the 52 yard run at the end against the prevent. Outside those two plays, he had 86 yards on his other 25 carries.

Gameplan appeared sound, execution was lacking. Don't turn the football over, make your FGs, and this is a 59-24 game.
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Only one that really annoys me was the prevent when the game was over.
Coleman is an outstanding RB - had to figure he'd break one at some point.
I'd take the same stats from Gordon in a heartbeat. Even with the prevent defense' gimme... Gordon isn't beating us with 14 points.

Only real concern today was the offense being very sloppy once again.
 
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kujirakira said:
Only one that really annoys me was the prevent when the game was over.
Coleman is an outstanding RB - had to figure he'd break one at some point.
I'd take the same stats from Gordon in a heartbeat. Even with the prevent defense' gimme... Gordon isn't beating us with 14 points.

Only real concern today was the offense being very sloppy once again.
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The 90 yard scamper down the east sideline when we had Indy pinned on our own goal line really bothered me. Along w/most of his 228 rushing yards and 3 TD's. He is a great RB, I take nothing away from from Indy for that, and we gave them decent field position in the game, but his big gains came when they had shitty field position - concerning.

I mean holy fuck guys, this was the 11th game of the season and our defense is relatively healthy. It's just hard to stomach.
 
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We do not have a great defense... If they eliminate the 90 yd run we can be good enough... The most embarrassing thing about the. 90 yd run is we are a bend but don't break d. We are not an overly aggressive stunting, blitzing, bump and run team.
 
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Through 11 games, the 2014 Buckeye defense has given up 1,626 rushing yards and 19 rushing TDs on 395 attempts (4.1 ypc).

In 14 games, the 2002 Buckeye defense gave up 1,088 rushing yards and 5 rushing TDs on 418 attempts (2.6 ypc).

The 2002 defense faced Larry Johnson, Chris Perry, and Willis McGahee.

In 2002, Larry Johnson rushed for 2,087 yards and 20 TD on 271 attempts (7.7 ypc), was an All American and Maxwell Award winner and a 1st round selection in 2003 NFL draft. The Buckeyes held Johnson to 16 carries for 66 yards (4.1 ypc) and 1 TD.

In 2002, Chris Perry rushed for 1,110 yards and 14 TD on 267 attempts (4.2 ypc). Perry would become an All American in 2003 and a 1st round selection in the 2004 NFL draft. The Buckeyes held Perry to 28 carries for 76 yards (2.7 ypc) and 0 TD.

In 2002, Willis McGahee rushed for 1,753 yards and 28 TD on 282 attempts (6.2 ypc). McGahee was an All American and a 1st round selection in the 2003 NFL draft. The Buckeyes held McGahee to 20 carries for 67 yards (3.35 ypc) and 1 TD.

The only back who went for over 100 yards against the 2002 defense was Wisconsin's Anthony Davis, who had 25 carries for 144 yards (5.8 ypc) and a TD. As a sophomore in 2002, Davis had 1,555 yards and 13 TDs on 300 attempts (5.2 ypc); his college career was derailed by injuries during his final two seasons.

So Ohio State faced an excellent set of running backs in 2002, and held them in check. The 2014 defense had not had similar success with guys like Jeremy Langford (18 attempts, 137 yards, 3 TD, 7.6 ypc); David Cobb (27 attempts, 145 yards, 3 TD, 5.4 ypc); and Tevin Coleman (27 attempts, 228 yards, 3 TD, 8.4 ypc).

The 2014 defense just isn't very good by Ohio State standards.
 
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BuckeyeFan 52 said:
The 90 yard scamper down the east sideline when we had Indy pinned on our own goal line really bothered me. Along w/most of his 228 rushing yards and 3 TD's. He is a great RB, I take nothing away from from Indy for that, and we gave them decent field position in the game, but his big gains came when they had [Mark May]ty field position - concerning.

I mean holy fuck guys, this was the 11th game of the season and our defense is relatively healthy. It's just hard to stomach.
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He only had 1 big gain from bad field position. The other we were in prevent, which is why it annoyed me.
Contrary to a lot of the reactions in this thread, I don't think there is a schematic issue at all. Coleman was contained outside those two plays - 1st was part him and part defense mistakes; 2nd was prevent in garbage time.
Zander's scramble and what should have been a short pass to Wynn are more concerning than the doom-and-gloom some people are pushing about run defense.
We all knew the D would give up some big plays this year. And that's what we saw - 4 big plays from Indiana (and 1 when we practically handed it to them). Otherwise the D consistently got off the field.

The offense and special teams can't keep giving the ball away, that's the #1 issue AFAIC.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Big quote, but what does this exactly mean? That Tressel paid more attention to defense and Urban pays more to offense?
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Partly yes.

Also that Tresselball shortened the game. Urban's high-powered offense gives the opponent more chances to gain yards and score points.

Also that as the game becomes more "offense-centric", more top prospects want to play on the offensive side of the ball, leading to an overall drain of defensive talent across college football.
 
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OHSportsFan said:
In regards to the defense, found this interesting...

Marcus Hartman‏ @marcushartman
Yesterday was 6th 200-yard plus rushing game in 38 games under Meyer. Tressel era: 4 in 128
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LordJeffBuck said:
Through 11 games, the 2014 Buckeye defense has given up 1,626 rushing yards and 19 rushing TDs on 395 attempts (4.1 ypc).

In 14 games, the 2002 Buckeye defense gave up 1,088 rushing yards and 5 rushing TDs on 418 attempts (2.6 ypc).

The 2002 defense faced Larry Johnson, Chris Perry, and Willis McGahee.

In 2002, Larry Johnson rushed for 2,087 yards and 20 TD on 271 attempts (7.7 ypc), was an All American and Maxwell Award winner and a 1st round selection in 2003 NFL draft. The Buckeyes held Johnson to 16 carries for 66 yards (4.1 ypc) and 1 TD.

In 2002, Chris Perry rushed for 1,110 yards and 14 TD on 267 attempts (4.2 ypc). Perry would become an All American in 2003 and a 1st round selection in the 2004 NFL draft. The Buckeyes held Perry to 28 carries for 76 yards (2.7 ypc) and 0 TD.

In 2002, Willis McGahee rushed for 1,753 yards and 28 TD on 282 attempts (6.2 ypc). McGahee was an All American and a 1st round selection in the 2003 NFL draft. The Buckeyes held McGahee to 20 carries for 67 yards (3.35 ypc) and 1 TD.

The only back who went for over 100 yards against the 2002 defense was Wisconsin's Anthony Davis, who had 25 carries for 144 yards (5.8 ypc) and a TD. As a sophomore in 2002, Davis had 1,555 yards and 13 TDs on 300 attempts (5.2 ypc); his college career was derailed by injuries during his final two seasons.

So Ohio State faced an excellent set of running backs in 2002, and held them in check. The 2014 defense had not had similar success with guys like Jeremy Langford (18 attempts, 137 yards, 3 TD, 7.6 ypc); David Cobb (27 attempts, 145 yards, 3 TD, 5.4 ypc); and Tevin Coleman (27 attempts, 228 yards, 3 TD, 8.4 ypc).

The 2014 defense just isn't very good by Ohio State standards.
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If only it were still 2002.
No offense, but may as well be comparing stats to the 1950s... nobody is putting up those kind of numbers anymore. Put that 2002 defense on the field, and they're not putting up those numbers either.
 
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