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2014 College Football Playoff Open Thread

I have a feeling after this, the Big 12 will add two teams in order to have a conference championship. Ensue chaos that is inevitable again IMO.

The thing is, not having a conference championship game could've benefited the Big XII had any of the 4 eventual playoff teams lost theirs. It has the potential to go both ways. Since all 4 teams won, the Big XII got passed while standing on the sidelines.
 
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The thing is, not having a conference championship game could've benefited the Big XII had any of the 4 eventual playoff teams lost theirs. It has the potential to go both ways. Since all 4 teams won, the Big XII got passed while standing on the sidelines.
Yep

FSU and Ohio State loses... then your likely looking at Baylor & TCU being in...
 
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I love how all the media types are blasting the fact that the polls leading up to the final one "didn't mean anything, if they were just going to change them at the last minute"

They don't like that their status quo got challenged, IE how can you move teams around so dramatically at the end of the season without a loss. They can't comprehend that their antiquated, and arguably more biased way of doing things is wrong.

Yep, poll logic (which isn't logical). Too many times a team would get a major boost in September for beating a "top 5 team" and no correction would be made in November when that alleged "top 5 team" they beat ended up 4-7. This system allows for such corrections at the end, when it is known just how good that "top 5 team" in September really was this year.
 
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I hated the polls. They were so rigid and were based so much on preseason rankings. I really like the current system. Whether we or Baylor got in didn't matter. Put 12 smart people in a room and they will typically make the right decision. In this case they could have made 3 right decisions. I like it and look forward to upcoming years.

As to the tcu at 3 Baylor at 6 and FSU at 4 a week ago. That's because at that point tcu had played a better schedule than both. FSU Baylor and us all beating top 15 teams is what brought us up. I don't get the confusion. Every week that said they would scrap the previous polls and start fresh, further enforcing the big changes at the end.
 
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The thing is, not having a conference championship game could've benefited the Big XII had any of the 4 eventual playoff teams lost theirs. It has the potential to go both ways. Since all 4 teams won, the Big XII got passed while standing on the sidelines.

True; but that's banking on being undefeated, which as we know is extremely unlikely. It's more likely I think a team has 1 loss and needs a final resume booster than being undefeated and needing to avoid another test.
 
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Baylor really seems like it sucks. You're fucking Baylor: a transitory blip on the college football radar that will inevitably slide back under the rock of irrelavence from which you crawled out three years ago. I love how the committee made a point of condemning them for hiring a pr firm. What's next? Is Kenn Starr going to bring in the lawyers and start suing people.
 
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True; but that's banking on being undefeated, which as we know is extremely unlikely. It's more likely I think a team has 1 loss and needs a final resume booster than being undefeated and needing to avoid another test.

It's not banking on being undefeated. If OSU had lost Baylor gets in. If OSU and Oregon lost Baylor and TCU get in.
 
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I hated the polls. They were so rigid and were based so much on preseason rankings. I really like the current system. Whether we or Baylor got in didn't matter. Put 12 smart people in a room and they will typically make the right decision. In this case they could have made 3 right decisions. I like it and look forward to upcoming years.

As to the tcu at 3 Baylor at 6 and FSU at 4 a week ago. That's because at that point tcu had played a better schedule than both. FSU Baylor and us all beating top 15 teams is what brought us up. I don't get the confusion. Every week that said they would scrap the previous polls and start fresh, further enforcing the big changes at the end.

Therein lies the confusion. Most people are so used to poll logic - once you reach a certain spot you never drop as long as you win. Last week's poll is cemented in history and you never look back to reevaluate previous results.

This year, they looked back and evaluated teams on their entire season using what we know NOW after all of the games were played. Some still can't wrap their heads around it.
 
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I love how all the media types are blasting the fact that the polls leading up to the final one "didn't mean anything, if they were just going to change them at the last minute"

They don't like that their status quo got challenged, IE how can you move teams around so dramatically at the end of the season without a loss. They can't comprehend that their antiquated, and arguably more biased way of doing things is wrong.

First year is always rough and I applaud TCU's coach for taking the high road and saying lets go through this cycle again before doing anything drastic.

That works with a Championship game too though. See Miss St. this year and Alabama in the past ... every year a #2 in East or West Division that didn't go to the CCG will be a major threat to crack the top 4.
It's pretty clear the CCG is a big resume builder, however. It's another highly ranked opponent at a neutral site, a 13th game, and definitive champion.
Despite all the crying about media $$$ -- at the end of the day, Ohio State does have a better resume than Baylor -- and the CCG was a difference maker. More Top-25 wins, more dominant performances against those top-25 opponents, a comparable loss (they like to forget WVU is 7-5), an outright champion, better OOC schedule, better overall schedule, an ability to explain the 1 loss beyond simply "We didn't play Stanford Football that day".
In years when it's close with the other 4 conference champions (and probably #2 SEC), BXII will continue to be left out. The co-champions hurt. Long refuses to state it exactly, but he's at least made it clear that it was treated different and the 12 members were left to individually decide what "co-champions" meant and how to weigh it. Not having a 13th game providing a marquee opponent hurt their resume in comparison. Alabama, Oregon, FSU, and Ohio State were all able to add another ranked opponent while TCU played Iowa State, and Baylor made up ground with TCU by beating the only other ranked opponent in conference.
The BXII needs to re-evaluate how they run business overall. Because it's not working. They have just 1 school as a member of the AAU left - the one souring the pot. The other 4 jumped ship to conferences that have a clue. If Austin wants to basically run a Big East in Texas conference that's constantly getting poached by their neighbors, losing media markets and footprint, forced to bring in new mid majors and geographic islands b/c of political infighting and instability... they'll continue to suck. That conference isn't half as good as Shaggy thinks it is (some idiot actually came up with a 6team playoff where BXII and SEC get seeded into 2nd round). They're the new Big East with upstarts that don't play defense. An emperor with no clothes. And while their internal politics are a mess for different reasons (Texas basically replaces the Catholic basketball schools all on their own), they're just as screwed internally.
I don't particularly care if they unfuck themselves - it's like watching Notre Dame build a crappy conference of Mid Majors with poor academics who have always been after-thoughts and bottom dwellers while keeping their NBC deal to themselves.

Baylor really seems like it sucks. You're fucking Baylor: a transitory blip on the college football radar that will inevitably slide back under the rock of irrelavence from which you crawled out three years ago. I love how the committee made a point of condemning them for hiring a pr firm. What's next? Is Kenn Starr going to bring in the lawyers and start suing people.

What I think they're really being punishing for is that laughable OOC schedule. SMU may as well be a second DIAA team, and 5-6 (3-4) Buffalo is little better. Compared to VTech (P5), Cinci (was probably P5 when scheduled and co-champ of their Mid Major), Navy (respectable Mid Major), and Kent State (pure dog shit) ... one team at least made an effort to put together a good OOC slate, the other deliberately chose to play cupcakes and pad their record with glorified preseason warmups.
 
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That works with a Championship game too though. See Miss St. this year and Alabama in the past ... every year a #2 in East or West Division that didn't go to the CCG will be a major threat to crack the top 4.
It's pretty clear the CCG is a big resume builder, however. It's another highly ranked opponent at a neutral site, a 13th game, and definitive champion.
Despite all the crying about media $$$ -- at the end of the day, Ohio State does have a better resume than Baylor -- and the CCG was a difference maker. More Top-25 wins, more dominant performances against those top-25 opponents, a comparable loss (they like to forget WVU is 7-5), an outright champion, better OOC schedule, better overall schedule, an ability to explain the 1 loss beyond simply "We didn't play Stanford Football that day".
In years when it's close with the other 4 conference champions (and probably #2 SEC), BXII will continue to be left out. The co-champions hurt. Long refuses to state it exactly, but he's at least made it clear that it was treated different and the 12 members were left to individually decide what "co-champions" meant and how to weigh it. Not having a 13th game providing a marquee opponent hurt their resume in comparison. Alabama, Oregon, FSU, and Ohio State were all able to add another ranked opponent while TCU played Iowa State, and Baylor made up ground with TCU by beating the only other ranked opponent in conference.
The BXII needs to re-evaluate how they run business overall. Because it's not working. They have just 1 school as a member of the AAU left - the one souring the pot. The other 4 jumped ship to conferences that have a clue. If Austin wants to basically run a Big East in Texas conference that's constantly getting poached by their neighbors, losing media markets and footprint, forced to bring in new mid majors and geographic islands b/c of political infighting and instability... they'll continue to suck. That conference isn't half as good as Shaggy thinks it is (some idiot actually came up with a 6team playoff where BXII and SEC get seeded into 2nd round). They're the new Big East with upstarts that don't play defense. An emperor with no clothes. And while their internal politics are a mess for different reasons (Texas basically replaces the Catholic basketball schools all on their own), they're just as screwed internally.
I don't particularly care if they unfuck themselves - it's like watching Notre Dame build a crappy conference of Mid Majors with poor academics who have always been after-thoughts and bottom dwellers while keeping their NBC deal to themselves.



What I think they're really being punishing for is that laughable OOC schedule. SMU may as well be a second DIAA team, and 5-6 (3-4) Buffalo is little better. Compared to VTech (P5), Cinci (was probably P5 when scheduled and co-champ of their Mid Major), Navy (respectable Mid Major), and Kent State (pure dog [Mark May]) ... one team at least made an effort to put together a good OOC slate, the other deliberately chose to play cupcakes and pad their record with glorified preseason warmups.
The Big XII is basically the old SWC, minus 2 of the 3 decent teams, plus Oklahoma and the scrubs of the Big 8.
 
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It's not banking on being undefeated. If OSU had lost Baylor gets in. If OSU and Oregon lost Baylor and TCU get in.

Still think the odds point to having a conference championship as a helper, not a hinderance. One more chance to build a resume while other teams sit out seems like a winning opportunity, especially since most of the times those teams will be favorites. Banking on having other teams lose is not the best of spots to be in.
 
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Deep down on some subconscious level, TCU and Baylor fan knows they're living on borrowed time. They know there's only room for two power teams in a ten team, non-divisional conference and that it's only a matter of time before Texas and Oklahoma unhoke themselves and assume those two spots. Five years from now, both will have sunk back to their historical norms with the deadening knowledge that the closest they came to the playoffs was smelling our fumes.
 
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Finebaum callers already planning ahead to their showdown with Oregon in the Championship Game. Wisconsin and Ohio State would have 5 losses in the Big XII & Baylor played a much tougher schedule because the Big XII is mighty. Hope some of you are listening to this.

Hahaha! They're saying they're relieved because they don't have to deal with a fast offense.
 
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