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2014 Bowl Games Open Thread

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matcar said:
That IS true. That said, I vastly prefer attending games in Pasadena, Arizona, Miami and Nee Orleans.
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So you enjoy seeing the Buckeyes play at a disadvantage? Look, I get that if what you are seeking is a holiday vacation and that the bowl game is just one part of it. If the Bucks had finished outside the four slot this argument would bear more weight.

But that's not the case. Ohio State is headed into a potential NC game and has to play an SEC team at an SEC city in the SEC Region. So let's look at some other stats:

Division I-A Conferences Big Ten Against:

Win Loss Tie Pct. PF PA Delta
American Athletic Conference

224 78 11 0.73323 8481 4708 3773
Atlantic Coast Conference

678 634 36 0.51632 26956 25689 1267

Big 12 Conference

639 299 25 0.67653 22607 13875 8732

Pacific-12 Conference

393 346 19 0.53100 16323 15051 1272

Southeastern Conference

316 261 20 0.54606 12152 10084 2068

Amazing what happens when we begin talking about how the Big Ten has played historically against the other Big Boys in non-bowl situations.

Now look at the Buckeye's bowl record - 19 - 24 - 0
If not for location, how does a team from a strong conference, a team that wins at a .720 pace overall, suddenly drop to .441, well below the .500 pace one might anticipate given that bowl games usually match teams of comparable skill?
 
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MaxBuck said:
With that being said, I want no part of bowl games played outdoors in January in Detroit, Chicago or Minneapolis.
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If only they had indoor venues in Detroit and Minneapolis (formerly and upcoming). Or the epicenter of midwestern sports, Indianapolis. Somehow the basketball tournament can be held there seemingly every other year, but football cannot work?

The reality is ESPN & the bowl games do not want to jeopardize their back-scratching arrangements, nor do they want to struggle to sell tickets to southern and western fans who are accustomed to driving to many bowl games, especially the less compelling ones during bad years.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I understand and agree with the notion that B1G teams are at a disadvantage in bowl games.

With that being said, I want no part of bowl games played outdoors in January in Detroit, Chicago or Minneapolis.
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65,000 Packer fans say "You're a Wus." I want no part of an 800 to 2,000 mile trip, or airplane flight, three to four nights in a hotel minimum, and then a drive or flight back home vs a six hour drive to Chicago, one or two nights in a hotel and a six hour drive home.
 
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jwinslow said:
The reality is ESPN & the bowl games do not want to jeopardize their back-scratching arrangements, nor do they want to struggle to sell tickets to southern and western fans who are accustomed to driving to many bowl games, especially the less compelling ones during bad years.
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BINGO! I for one can't imagine that a team that can fill a 107,000 seat stadium during the regular season - with many ticket requests for big games denied - can't fill a 70,000 seat stadium for a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. If the coasties and rebels want to stay home, fine with me. A little home cookin' is good for everyone.
 
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LOL they are doing such a great job of selling tickets this year....

Darren Rovell @darrenrovell
Bowl Get-in prices on @StubHub: Orange ($4), Cotton ($36), Fiesta ($39), Outback ($75), Rose ($120) & Sugar ($168
 
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cincibuck said:
Methinks your definition of "meaningless game" is any game not involving Ohio State. Be that as it may, I offer you this: [Mark May]tybowl games are significant in that they generate product that TV can sell, they seem to satisfy something that teams in the 6 to 9 win range desire - i.e. TV time and the ability to say they went to a bowl game, they evidently create enough viewer interest to make it worthwhile to TV and advertisers - and they beat the hell out of the normal weekday TV shows. But its not the Franklin Mortgage or Idaho potato bowl I'm concerned with. They can come and go as they please. It's the idea that we are now creating a NATIONAL Playoff. As such I want to see Ohio State get as level a playing field as possible.

https://sites.google.com/site/sport...tistics/home-field-advantage-college-football
Home Field Advantage: College Football
Of the (approximately) last ten thousand games in Division I-A (FBS) college football, about 9000 which featured only D-I (FBS) schools with no lower conferences:

Percent Win Chance (Division-I FBS Only)

Home team won: 5,321 games (59.97%)
Away team won: 3,552 games (40.03%)
Home field advantage: 9.97% over a neutral site
Las Vegas bookies' home team win prediction: 5,644 games (63.61%)
Las Vegas bookies' away team win prediction: 3,229 games (36.39%)
Home field advantage: 13.61% over a neutral site
Given x number of points for the home team, away teams also earn x points an average of 7.55% less often.
Home field advantage: 7.55% over a neutral site

When you compare the history of Ohio State with that of USC these stats seem to come forward to me: Winning % OSU .720 USC .702, OSU 7 NCs, USC 10 NCs, Series record 9 -13 -1, out of 23 games 8 have been played in Columbus. So of two teams that appear to be relatively even and whose conferences appear to be relatively even, one goes from winning at a .720 pace to a .391 pace. Of the 7 NCs OSU claims, two 1942 and 1961, were won without playing a bowl game. 1 was won at a "neutral site." Of the ten NCs USC claims only one was won on a neutral site, the rest were all achieved in the friendly confines of Los Angeles. I can't look at those stats and not come to the conclusion that where those games were played is a significant part of the outcome.

Miami claims four NCs, of those three were won in the Orange Bowl. Two shots at the NC were lost when the team had to travel well out of Florida. Coincidence? I don't think so.

My point? History, holidays, booze and hookers may favor the current Playoff Sites, but that is no reason not to raise the issue. Football is an all weather sport and can be played in the mud, rain and heat of the sunbelt as well as the snow and sleet of the Northeastern quarter of this country. Ergo, if location is a factor - and I think I've demonstrated that in at least the case of Ohio State, USC and Miami there is much to suggest that it is - then location should be evenly distributed if we are to fairly determine a NATIONAL champion.
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So what championships have been won in the Idaho noonegivesafuck Bowl? Or the Music City bowl? Or how about the Heart of Dallas bowl? If you aren't playing for championships, it's a meaningless exhibition where the players can gain "swag", gift certificates and play in front of 15,000 people....

AS for the rest of it...wall of text is great and all, it still doesn't change the reality of the situation one iota.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I understand and agree with the notion that B1G teams are at a disadvantage in bowl games.

With that being said, I want no part of bowl games played outdoors in January in Detroit, Chicago or Minneapolis.
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Minneapolis and Detroit have domes (or will in Minny's case) - Minny already applied to be a NCG Final host, unfortunately for them they're in the wrong part of the country. So far 2 of the NCG Finals have gone to the same hosts for the Cotton and Fiesta bowls, and the 3rd to Tampa.
Players and coaches were wearing shorts in this years bailout-city bowl - that said, fuck Detroit as a playoff location.
Indianapolis also has a dome if you're that worried about it.
Places like Denver and Seattle should also be fair game for these so-called "neutral sites"... NFL and FCS don't have a problem playing up here this time of year.
 
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Mike80 said:
So what championships have been won in the Idaho noonegivesafuck Bowl? Or the Music City bowl? Or how about the Heart of Dallas bowl? If you aren't playing for championships, it's a meaningless exhibition where the players can gain "swag", gift certificates and play in front of 15,000 people....
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That's about 4-10x too generous in many cases, and I'd submit that midwestern fans could outpace a handful of those ticket sales if they were in Indy or Chicago.
 
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