2013 TSUN Football News

[NFBuck]

Oh great, another scUM fan coming over to preach the virtues of their recruits.

 

[NFBuck]

That gif proves what exactly? Morris got lit up in a high school all-star game by Matthew Thomas, the #1 LB in his class and a freakish athlete from Florida. I never once implied that Morris was Michael Vick. One thing he's certainly not though is Jon Navarre.

Navarre was all-time slow for a QB. Morris isn't going to be running a 5.4 in the 40 like Navarre. Morris absolutely does have some mobility to him. Wilton Speight, the 2014 QB commit looks even more nimble than Morris despite being 6'6 and 225 pounds. Neither one of those QB's are complete lead foots like Jon Navarre was.

I stand by my Ginn comment. Speed is overrated for WR's. Dwayne Jarrett and Mike Williams absolutely dominated at USC and neither one could run fast. Marquise Walker dominated at Michigan and he was slow as dirt. Jason Avant was a quality All-Conference WR and 4th round pick and he probably ran a 4.8 in the 40. The position will always come down to route running and catching the football.

And people calling out Braylon? Really? Not that much difference between the #3 or #9 pick, and Braylon made 2 Pro Bowls and in his best season he scored 17 receiving TD's. Almost 3 times as many receiving TD's as Ted Ginn has scored in his entire NFL career. A better Michigan guy to bring up for the purposes of this discussion probably would have been David Terrell.

Very Miami-esque. Just wait. You'll see. :ill2:

 

[cjmik_75]

Oh great, another scUM fan coming over to preach the virtues of their recruits.

Try and keep up...it's their virtues that translate to receiving TDs and pro bowls.:tongue2:

 

[NFBuck]

Try and keep up...it's their virtues that translate to receiving TDs and pro bowls.:tongue2:

Just wait. You'll see?

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

That gif proves what exactly? Morris got lit up

That Comedy Central doesn't have near as good programming.

 

[buxfan4life]

Ginn has a a pair of cleats and his name in the HOF right now due to SPEED.

Edwards has zilch in the HOF right now due to STONE HANDS.

Speed is so overrated.

 

[shiznit7]

That gif proves what exactly? Morris got lit up in a high school all-star game by Matthew Thomas, the #1 LB in his class and a freakish athlete from Florida. I never once implied that Morris was Michael Vick. One thing he's certainly not though is Jon Navarre.

Navarre was all-time slow for a QB. Morris isn't going to be running a 5.4 in the 40 like Navarre. Morris absolutely does have some mobility to him. Wilton Speight, the 2014 QB commit looks even more nimble than Morris despite being 6'6 and 225 pounds. Neither one of those QB's are complete lead foots like Jon Navarre was.

Navarre ran a 5.19 40 yard dash at the NFL combine.

Morris ran a 5.10 40 yard dash at The Opening.

So please, tell me how much faster Sugar Shane is than Navarre one more time.

 

[BIATCHabutuka]

uhhhh 0.09s i think

blazin

 

[Mike80]

uhhhh 0.09s i think

blazin

Blazin? You mean like how the 2007 scUM team "allegedly" blazed up before this wonderful experience?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA_zeMCnlWY"]2007: Appalachian State v. Michigan (Drive-Thru) - YouTube[/ame]

Morris might be the most over-rated scUM QB recruit since Henne and that's saying something with Tater Tot being in the middle of it. can't wait to see the results on the field

 

[ulukinatme]

Do you anticipate ND playing in this series again in the future, or do old habits die hard?

I don't think it'll ever be a regular series again as long as the Irish are playing with half an ACC schedule. This is the first they've ever decided to take a break from the series for their part and you have to figure it has to do with the ACC move combined with a logjam of longer standing rivalries and recruiting opportunities.

I've got a feeling they'll try and schedule some games here and there later down the road once the ACC scheduling shakes out. I just don't see the two never playing each other again. Maybe that's wishful thinking, I know it'll get harder for Michigan to squeeze in OOC games like this with the recent additions to the B1G too.

 

[jwinslow]

That gif proves what exactly? Morris got lit up in a high school all-star game by Matthew Thomas, the #1 LB in his class and a freakish athlete from Florida. I never once implied that Morris was Michael Vick. One thing he's certainly not though is Jon Navarre.

Navarre was all-time slow for a QB. Morris isn't going to be running a 5.4 in the 40 like Navarre. Morris absolutely does have some mobility to him. Wilton Speight, the 2014 QB commit looks even more nimble than Morris despite being 6'6 and 225 pounds. Neither one of those QB's are complete lead foots like Jon Navarre was.

Morris may not be a frozen statue but he is not an agile athlete. He is a pocket passer that can relocate.

I stand by my Ginn comment.

of course you do. Otherwise you would have to acknowledge its stupidity. Or you know, discuss what Ginn did in college.

Please bring up more NFL evidence for a college discussion. Maybe you can start invalidating heisman trophies by using their failures in the NFL too. Clearly Jim Tressel made a mistake recruiting Troy Smith, just look at how quickly he exited the NFL due to his limited pocket passer skills. Those three games against Michigan have no business in a discussion about what type of QBs college recruiters should target. The NFL is all that matters, because that is what Borges resembles most.

Speed is overrated for WR's. Dwayne Jarrett and Mike Williams absolutely dominated at USC and neither one could run fast.

No one is saying you can't succeed as a big possession WR. What we are saying is Heck's narrow world view - one you seem to have adopted whole heartedly - is quite short sighted.

Marquise Walker dominated at Michigan and he was slow as dirt. Jason Avant was a quality All-Conference WR and 4th round pick and he probably ran a 4.8 in the 40.

Jason Avant was a 4.4 recruit coming out of HS and backed up that speed with a 4.52 electronic time at the combine.

You didn't land Marquis Walker, Jason Avant or Dwayne Jarrett.
You didn't land LaQuon Treadwell, Ricky Seals Jones or Derrick Griffin.
You landed Jaron Dukes, Da'Mario Jones & Csont'e York.

Harris is obviously a quality step in the other direction but won't be on campus until year 4 and the talent for 2013 is extremely thin.

The position will always come down to route running and catching the football.

No, it won't, just like your equally short sighted, michigan-centric world view on pocket passers. College football will always be filled with superior athletes with athleticism to overcome their raw fundamentals.

And people calling out Braylon? Really?

No, they were kidding. The thousands of AFC North fans on this board are unfamiliar with his performances in Cleveland. Or San Fran. Or ruining the tradition of the #1 jersey at your school.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Morris may not be a frozen statue but he is not an agile athlete. He is a pocket passer that can relocate.

of course you do. Otherwise you would have to acknowledge its stupidity. Or you know, discuss what Ginn did in college.

Please bring up more NFL evidence for a college discussion. Maybe you can start invalidating heisman trophies by using their failures in the NFL too. Clearly Jim Tressel made a mistake recruiting Troy Smith, just look at how quickly he exited the NFL due to his limited pocket passer skills. Those three games against Michigan have no business in a discussion about what type of QBs college recruiters should target. The NFL is all that matters, because that is what Borges resembles most.
No one is saying you can't succeed as a big possession WR. What we are saying is Heck's narrow world view - one you seem to have adopted whole heartedly - is quite short sighted.
Jason Avant was a 4.4 recruit coming out of HS and backed up that speed with a 4.52 electronic time at the combine.

You didn't land Marquis Walker, Jason Avant or Dwayne Jarrett.
You didn't land LaQuon Treadwell, Ricky Seals Jones or Derrick Griffin.
You landed Jaron Dukes, Da'Mario Jones & Csont'e York.

Harris is obviously a quality step in the other direction but won't be on campus until year 4 and the talent for 2013 is extremely thin.
No, it won't, just like your equally short sighted, michigan-centric world view on pocket passers. College football will always be filled with superior athletes with athleticism to overcome their raw fundamentals.
No, they were kidding. The thousands of AFC North fans on this board are unfamiliar with his performances in Cleveland. Or San Fran. Or ruining the tradition of the #1 jersey at your school.

 

[BuckTwenty]

Bitter TSUN fan is bitter.

 

[NFBuck]

How many Walmart/Starter uniform combinations is the pizza guy planning on assaulting our eyes with this season?

 

[ulukinatme]

I don't think it'll ever be a regular series again as long as the Irish are playing with half an ACC schedule. This is the first they've ever decided to take a break from the series for their part and you have to figure it has to do with the ACC move combined with a logjam of longer standing rivalries and recruiting opportunities.

I've got a feeling they'll try and schedule some games here and there later down the road once the ACC scheduling shakes out. I just don't see the two never playing each other again. Maybe that's wishful thinking, I know it'll get harder for Michigan to squeeze in OOC games like this with the recent additions to the B1G too.

Alright, some news yesterday came out, and it doesn't look good for the Irish and Michigan series. Could also be bad for Purdue and Michigan State rivalries:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/22247387/notre-ad-explains-wh

Basically, given that most teams play 7 home games a year and 5 away, with the new ACC schedule it wasn't possible to do a series with Michigan alternating home locations. The Irish will be obligated for 2-3 ACC road games a year, with that 3rd going to Navy every other year. Stanford or USC gets the 4th spot. Swarbrick doesn't specify who the 5th spot goes to, but it most likely goes to a different team like the upcoming Texas series. Swarbrick didn't mention MSU or Purdue specifically, but the writing is kind of on the wall there. Unless either of those teams decide they're willing to play in South Bend every year (MSU no way, who knows with Purdue), the math kind of dictates the Irish would have to drop to 6 home games to squeeze one or both teams in.

I hadn't considered all that before now, but I'm disliking the whole ACC thing already. Picking up Florida State and Miami as semi-regular games is great as theres some history there, but not like the Michigan or Michigan State games. Don't really care about Purdue, although it is long standing tradition. It's good for recruiting the south east and all, but some years we'll be swapping MSU and Michigan for Wake Forest and Duke, no beano. I was hoping at least the Michigan State rivalry would remain along with Michigan, now it's not looking good for either.