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2013 Preseason and regular polls

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HorseshoeFetish said:
I can't believe I'm saying this, that just might suck. If Oregon were to win out then we'd be stuck with a two loss PAC team at best correct? If we were held out of the championship game while being undefeated, I'd rather see us put an end to that whole "Buckeyes haven't beat the SEC" bull[Mark May].
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If I'm not mistaken, I don't think the Rose is required to take another PAC-12 or B1G team if one or the other qualifies for the championship. Like in 2010, TCU took the spot of the PAC-12 in the Rose Bowl while Oregon played Auburn for the championship. If 2 of the 3 between 'Bama, FSU, and Oregon don't lose then the Bucks would probably face an undefeated non-AQ team or maybe AAC champ or someone like Clemson if FSU doesn't get in to the championship and goes to the Orange.
 
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HorseshoeFetish said:
I can't believe I'm saying this, that just might suck. If Oregon were to win out then we'd be stuck with a two loss PAC team at best correct? If we were held out of the championship game while being undefeated, I'd rather see us put an end to that whole "Buckeyes haven't beat the SEC" bull[Mark May].
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The SEC is only 1 team deep this year so beating anyone but Bama wouldn't count. It's either Championsi
ulukinatme said:
If I'm not mistaken, I don't think the Rose is required to take another PAC-12 or B1G team if one or the other qualifies for the championship. Like in 2010, TCU took the spot of the PAC-12 in the Rose Bowl while Oregon played Auburn for the championship. If 2 of the 3 between 'Bama, FSU, and Oregon don't lose then the Bucks would probably face an undefeated non-AQ team or maybe AAC champ or someone like Clemson if FSU doesn't get in to the championship and goes to the Orange.
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Hopefully Stanford wins Thursday. That way the worst thing that could happen would be a traditional Rose Bowl as long as tOSU wins out.
 
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ulukinatme said:
If I'm not mistaken, I don't think the Rose is required to take another PAC-12 or B1G team if one or the other qualifies for the championship. Like in 2010, TCU took the spot of the PAC-12 in the Rose Bowl while Oregon played Auburn for the championship. If 2 of the 3 between 'Bama, FSU, and Oregon don't lose then the Bucks would probably face an undefeated non-AQ team or maybe AAC champ or someone like Clemson if FSU doesn't get in to the championship and goes to the Orange.
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You are not mistaken. However, the Rose Bowl loves the tradition, including the Big Ten vs. Pac 8/10/12. It will do what it can to ensure a Big Ten vs. Pac 12 match-up, even if that means taking a 3-loss team to replace the BCS 1 or BCS 2 team it lost.

Prior to 2010, the other BCS bowls whined because there was nothing to force the Rose Bowl to take a non-AQ (and therefore "low value") team. Losing a BCS 1 or BCS 2 team to the national championship game only meant that the Rose Bowl would get the first or second selection of the At-Large teams, and could always choose a more popular team. In 2010, a rule went into effect that they'd have to pick a non-AQ "sometime" if they lost one of their teams to the national championship game. I believe that they had to choose 1 non-AQ team per bowl-game cycle (4 years). Since TCU finished really high - I want to say 3 or 4, but that might be way off - the Rose Bowl decided that they'd never get a better opportunity to take a non-AQ team when they lost Oregon to the national championship game.

Since they have already fulfilled their obligation to take a non-AQ team this cycle, they don't have to choose another this year. As long as the teams qualify for At-Large spots in BCS bowl games (I forget the criteria - no more than 3 losses and top 12 in the BCS rankings?), it will be Big Ten and Pac-12 in the Rose Bowl.
 
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I'd imagine the Rose Bowl selection comitte will be basing their selection on money. That may mean a Pac team. If tOSU is in the Rose, it may very well mean choosing the most intriguing matchup, tradition be damned. If they can get two major conf undefeateds, they'll take it and hype the shit out of it.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
I'd imagine the Rose Bowl selection comitte will be basing their selection on money. That may mean a Pac team. If tOSU is in the Rose, it may very well mean choosing the most intriguing matchup, tradition be damned. If they can get two major conf undefeateds, they'll take it and hype the [Mark May] out of it.
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We could see the likelihood of an undefeated tOSU and undefeated Oregon/Baylor in this game if FSU and Bama run the table.
 
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Zurp said:
You are not mistaken. However, the Rose Bowl loves the tradition, including the Big Ten vs. Pac 8/10/12. It will do what it can to ensure a Big Ten vs. Pac 12 match-up, even if that means taking a 3-loss team to replace the BCS 1 or BCS 2 team it lost.

Prior to 2010, the other BCS bowls whined because there was nothing to force the Rose Bowl to take a non-AQ (and therefore "low value") team. Losing a BCS 1 or BCS 2 team to the national championship game only meant that the Rose Bowl would get the first or second selection of the At-Large teams, and could always choose a more popular team. In 2010, a rule went into effect that they'd have to pick a non-AQ "sometime" if they lost one of their teams to the national championship game. I believe that they had to choose 1 non-AQ team per bowl-game cycle (4 years). Since TCU finished really high - I want to say 3 or 4, but that might be way off - the Rose Bowl decided that they'd never get a better opportunity to take a non-AQ team when they lost Oregon to the national championship game.

Since they have already fulfilled their obligation to take a non-AQ team this cycle, they don't have to choose another this year. As long as the teams qualify for At-Large spots in BCS bowl games (I forget the criteria - no more than 3 losses and top 12 in the BCS rankings?), it will be Big Ten and Pac-12 in the Rose Bowl.
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What about that 2002 Rose Bowl though? Bucks played Miami, and in the place of a B1G team the Rose Bowl selected #7 Oklahoma. Maybe it was different then because there were only 4 big bowls and they rotated who had the championship that year, so Oklahoma couldn't go to the Fiesta as the Big 12 rep since Fiesta was hosting the championship. They certainly will preserve tradition and take PAC-12 or B1G teams if they can, but I'm wondering if they won't take an undefeated non-AQ team if there is a 2 or 3 loss PAC-12 or B1G team as Conference runner up (In a case where Oregon or the Bucks are playing in the NCG).

Hopefully the whole mess can be averted if the Bucks are #1 or #2 and play for the championship. Then Oregon and probably Michigan State can duke it out in the Rose Bowl. Playoff can't come soon enough.
 
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ulukinatme said:
What about that 2002 Rose Bowl though? Bucks played Miami, and in the place of a B1G team the Rose Bowl selected #7 Oklahoma. Maybe it was different then because there were only 4 big bowls and they rotated who had the championship that year, so Oklahoma couldn't go to the Fiesta as the Big 12 rep since Fiesta was hosting the championship. They certainly will preserve tradition and take PAC-12 or B1G teams if they can, but I'm wondering if they won't take an undefeated non-AQ team if there is a 2 or 3 loss PAC-12 or B1G team as Conference runner up (In a case where Oregon or the Bucks are playing in the NCG).

Hopefully the whole mess can be averted if the Bucks are #1 or #2 and play for the championship. Then Oregon and probably Michigan State can duke it out in the Rose Bowl. Playoff can't come soon enough.
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In 2002, there was no rule that said that the Orange Bowl had to ask permission from the Rose Bowl to get Iowa. I don't know when that rule came about. But yeah - the Orange Bowl got first choice of teams and chose Iowa. The Rose Bowl couldn't choose a Big Ten team because they couldn't choose a 3rd team from one conference to go to a BCS bowl game.

Now, in order to take a team from a conference that is tied to another bowl game, and that bowl game is also losing a team to the national championship team, they basically need to get permission to do so from the other bowl game.

I'm not saying that there is no chance they would take a non-Pac-12 team, but I'd be willing to bet a dollar or two that they will.
 
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I know CFN gets knocked around here, but for anyone who's bored Fiutak gives an interesting comparison between OSU and Oregon's seasons, and why OSU getting bumped from #2 was kind of obsurd.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1343198.html

Really, What Did Ohio State Do Wrong?

. . . In all, so far, Oregon has beaten two teams – Washington and UCLA – that will end up in a bowl, while Ohio State has beaten four – San Diego State, Wisconsin, Northwestern and Iowa – and possibly five with Buffalo, and six if you want to count Penn State, who’d be bowl eligible if the program didn’t have culture issues. . . .
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If the NC game were to pit Bama and Oregon, a matchup between the Buckeyes and Seminoles in the Rose Bowl would be a pretty good consolation prize. Four unbeatens going into New Year's Day would be a pisser for us, but this set of games would rock.
 
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