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2012 TSUN football news

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ulukinatme;2256925; said:
Word is Dan Rather is going to teach Hoke how to use eating utensils and make fire.
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What a difference a win makes

Michigan win:


  • "Hoke owns Ohio"
  • "Which OSU assistants will be back?"
  • Can Braxton beat Michigan?
  • Michigan has an outside shot to back into the BCS again
  • Michigan reverses their downward spiral of momentum

Michigan loss:

  • Urban owns the league from day 1
  • Which UM offensive assistants survive? OC Borges has been a hated man all year and RB/ST coach Fred Jackson hasn't earned his paycheck in awhile
  • "4th down call was a panic move, changed game"..."cooperesque"
  • Michigan is back to 8-4 with a rebuilding year next year too.
  • "last was year a fluke"
  • Signature win is a narrow one over 6-6 Sparty or a hail mary at home vs NW
  • Undecided Derrick Green has to decide whether he wants to play in that offense with four new OL starters who couldn't beat out that lousy interior OL (some because they are currently in high school)


Not to mention the obvious pros and cons for OSU.

The true irony is they may win today if Michigan hadn't napalmed the Boren bridge and transformed a diehard wolverine into a legendary war daddy for OSU, capped off by a position switch and impact in The Game that will be talked about for a long time.
 
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jwinslow;2264765; said:
What a difference a win makes

Michigan win:


  • "Hoke owns Ohio"
  • "Which OSU assistants will be back?"
  • Can Braxton beat Michigan?
  • Michigan has an outside shot to back into the BCS again
  • Michigan reverses their downward spiral of momentum

Michigan loss:

  • Urban owns the league from day 1
  • Which UM offensive assistants survive? OC Borges has been a hated man all year and RB/ST coach Fred Jackson hasn't earned his paycheck in awhile
  • "4th down call was a panic move, changed game"..."cooperesque"
  • Michigan is back to 8-4 with a rebuilding year next year too.
  • "last was year a fluke"
  • Signature win is a narrow one over 6-6 Sparty or a hail mary at home vs NW
  • Undecided Derrick Green has to decide whether he wants to play in that offense with four new OL starters who couldn't beat out that lousy interior OL (some because they are currently in high school)


Not to mention the obvious pros and cons for OSU.

The true irony is they may win today if Michigan hadn't napalmed the Boren bridge and transformed a diehard wolverine into a legendary war daddy for OSU, capped off by a position switch and impact in The Game that will be talked about for a long time.
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Never considered that thought, but you're correct. Thank god the Borens are back in tOSU!
 
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It sure is gracious of Hoke to pay it forward after being handed Dymonte on a silver platter after he was run off by Michigan's rival. And the sideline cheerleader didn't just return the favor with one recruit but two and possibly to two separate rivals.
Posted: Today*9:51*PM
I guess there are two "men named Jeb"*

They were/are tricky situations ... but U-M has reoffered Dawson, and Conley now has a WR offer ... we'll see if they 're-up'.

Conley visit plans: OSU Dec 7 and, tentatively, Cinci Dec 14 ... we'll see if he visits U-M in Jan.

Dawson visit plans: OSU Dec 7 as well, U-M Dec. 14, then Bama Jan 11 and MSU Jan 18
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Posted: Yesterday*8:16*AM
TJBlog: A Recruiting Tale*
A Recruiting Tale
Now listen to ma story about a man named Jeb ...*
Jeb's a junior football player, goes to a school within driving distance of Ann Arbor, a school that is friendly with U-M.
Jeb comes in on a spring/summer visit, gets offered -- it's his first offer, he's excited, he says yes -- he commits!
U-M runs through the conditions, that he can't take visits, etc. ... however ... it's like the part of the 'TV ad for medicines' where they run through all the risks while showing playing wonderful music and showing smiling, wonderfully-happy people on the drug -- Jeb hears the conditions, sort've, but he's excited! *Jeb hears, "we want you at Michigan! wah-wah-wah ... Here's a scholarship! wah-wah-wah" ... and Jeb's sitting there thinking, "I'm a Wolverine!"
For most kids - this all works out fine down the road, etc.
But for a couple/few kids ... Jeb starts performing really well, better than expected, and his stock shoots up, schools start coming at him, big schools, inviting them on visits ... maybe it's glamor schools, maybe it's schools Jeb followed as a kid, maybe it's schools his parents actually prefer. Whatever it is -- Jeb wants to take at least one visit, just to be sure.
And then ... this is when the finality of the no-visit condition descends on him for the first time. Reality hits. Jeb gets reminded that heagreed to a no-visit condition ... so, initially, Jeb backs off. But, meanwhile, these other schools -- and maybe his parents -- keep up the pressure.
And, eventually, Jeb takes a visit. Jeb tells U-M first, etc.
Maybe at the visit Jeb realizes he wants to stick with Michigan.
However, from U-M's point of view, the commitment is broken -- if U-M excuses the visit, then their policy vanishes into thin air.
So ... then, from U-M's point of view, this can go two ways from here.
1. They tell Jeb - we're parting ways with you, good-bye.
2. They tell Jeb - we're 'recruiting your scholarship' but we're not dropping you, we're gonna recruit you - come visit in a couple-few weeks. (And from U-M's point of view, if the visit goes well they probably even plan to re-commit the kid at the visit). The school is hoping the kid accepts the punishment, accepts this plan, etc. (but they cannot 'tip their hand' to the kid about their plan - or again it's not actually punishment)
But from Jeb's point of view: it's like that TV-drug ad, only in reverse. Even if it is 'case 2' above, what Jeb hears is, wah-wah-wah ... 'the commit is off!' wah-wah-wah ... that he's being punished. Jeb is sitting there thinking, "I want to jump back into the fold here, I didn't like my visit, I'm Blue, but they're decommitting me!" And his parents may reinforce this point of view. So, Jeb goes, "Okay, I've got other schools begging, not punishing, me. They told me I'm no longer a commit - okay, I'm gonna take visits."
**Here's my bottom-line conclusion #1**
You cannot blame the school for having this policy -- a 'powerful program' can implement this policy (a 'weak program' cannot), and if this program gonna have lots of early-commits it is an effective way of 'keeping them on the farm'. And, from the coaches' point of view, they feel like they're already 'coaching the kids up' as soon as they commit, etc. But, there may inevitably be a couple kids as spelled out above.
And, you can't blame Jeb either (I know some zealous fans will take an extreme point of view on it and trash the kid, even tho they'd scream bloody murder if the situation happened to them). If you think about it, actually think about it ... it happens - you 'buy the drug without fully understanding the side-effects' - we all do it. And you feel like you should be able to reconsider without being punished, that's just how you feel about it, that's Jeb's point of view.
**And, my my bottom-BOTTOM-line conclusion #2**
The policy becomes tricky if a kid violates it, especially if the school really still wants Jeb. How can you 'penalize' a kid (who hasn't really made a contract, just a 'pinky-swear' more or less) without running him off? Maybe you can, maybe you can't... it's tricky. We'll find out with Conley, er, Jeb -- we'll see if he visits Michigan, and then see what happens from there
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Posted: Yesterday*8:16*AM
TJBlog: A Recruiting Tale*
A Recruiting Tale
Now listen to ma story about a man named Jeb ...*
Jeb's a junior football player, goes to a school within driving distance of Ann Arbor, a school that is friendly with U-M.
Jeb comes in on a spring/summer visit, gets offered -- it's his first offer, he's excited, he says yes -- he commits!
U-M runs through the conditions, that he can't take visits, etc. ... however ... it's like the part of the 'TV ad for medicines' where they run through all the risks while showing playing wonderful music and showing smiling, wonderfully-happy people on the drug -- Jeb hears the conditions, sort've, but he's excited! *Jeb hears, "we want you at Michigan! wah-wah-wah ... Here's a scholarship! wah-wah-wah" ... and Jeb's sitting there thinking, "I'm a Wolverine!"
For most kids - this all works out fine down the road, etc.
But for a couple/few kids ... Jeb starts performing really well, better than expected, and his stock shoots up, schools start coming at him, big schools, inviting them on visits ... maybe it's glamor schools, maybe it's schools Jeb followed as a kid, maybe it's schools his parents actually prefer. Whatever it is -- Jeb wants to take at least one visit, just to be sure.
And then ... this is when the finality of the no-visit condition descends on him for the first time. Reality hits. Jeb gets reminded that heagreed to a no-visit condition ... so, initially, Jeb backs off. But, meanwhile, these other schools -- and maybe his parents -- keep up the pressure.
And, eventually, Jeb takes a visit. Jeb tells U-M first, etc.
Maybe at the visit Jeb realizes he wants to stick with Michigan.
However, from U-M's point of view, the commitment is broken -- if U-M excuses the visit, then their policy vanishes into thin air.
So ... then, from U-M's point of view, this can go two ways from here.
1. They tell Jeb - we're parting ways with you, good-bye.
2. They tell Jeb - we're 'recruiting your scholarship' but we're not dropping you, we're gonna recruit you - come visit in a couple-few weeks. (And from U-M's point of view, if the visit goes well they probably even plan to re-commit the kid at the visit). The school is hoping the kid accepts the punishment, accepts this plan, etc. (but they cannot 'tip their hand' to the kid about their plan - or again it's not actually punishment)
But from Jeb's point of view: it's like that TV-drug ad, only in reverse. Even if it is 'case 2' above, what Jeb hears is, wah-wah-wah ... 'the commit is off!' wah-wah-wah ... that he's being punished. Jeb is sitting there thinking, "I want to jump back into the fold here, I didn't like my visit, I'm Blue, but they're decommitting me!" And his parents may reinforce this point of view. So, Jeb goes, "Okay, I've got other schools begging, not punishing, me. They told me I'm no longer a commit - okay, I'm gonna take visits."
**Here's my bottom-line conclusion #1**
You cannot blame the school for having this policy -- a 'powerful program' can implement this policy (a 'weak program' cannot), and if this program gonna have lots of early-commits it is an effective way of 'keeping them on the farm'. And, from the coaches' point of view, they feel like they're already 'coaching the kids up' as soon as they commit, etc. But, there may inevitably be a couple kids as spelled out above.
And, you can't blame Jeb either (I know some zealous fans will take an extreme point of view on it and trash the kid, even tho they'd scream bloody murder if the situation happened to them). If you think about it, actually think about it ... it happens - you 'buy the drug without fully understanding the side-effects' - we all do it. And you feel like you should be able to reconsider without being punished, that's just how you feel about it, that's Jeb's point of view.
**And, my my bottom-BOTTOM-line conclusion #2**
The policy becomes tricky if a kid violates it, especially if the school really still wants Jeb. How can you 'penalize' a kid (who hasn't really made a contract, just a 'pinky-swear' more or less) without running him off? Maybe you can, maybe you can't... it's tricky. We'll find out with Conley, er, Jeb -- we'll see if he visits Michigan, and then see what happens from there
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Cripes, ol' Beav gets verbose when he sets to spinnin'...

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http://mgoblog.com/content/hello-delano-hill

Formerly character-flawed decommit David Dawson recommitted to Michigan today, along with former Iowa commit S Delano Hill.

This pushes UM back to #1 in the team rankings, thanks to their high volume of verbals. Delano is the 7th verbal ranked as a 4 star player despite not being in the top-20 of his position (I would love to know who fought for Jaron Dukes as a 4-star as the #44 WR in the country).

Basically this puts Michigan's class back where it was a few months ago, well rounded except for going a half decade without a WR signee with a pulse.
 
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jwinslow;2278203; said:
Jeff Weintraub (@TheDailyTraub)
12/16/12, 4:53 PM
JT Floyd, Will Hagerup & Brandin Hawthorne kicked off the Mich. Football team 2 weeks before the bowl game! Weird.
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If felonies don't get you booted from the team, one can only imagine what sort of terrible atrocities this trio had to commit to get kicked out.
 
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jwinslow;2278203; said:
Jeff Weintraub (@TheDailyTraub)
12/16/12, 4:53 PM
JT Floyd, Will Hagerup & Brandin Hawthorne kicked off the Mich. Football team 2 weeks before the bowl game! Weird.
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Well, felony's = 1 game so I'm thinking for 3 guys to be gone for a Bowl game a coaches lunch had to come up missing.

What else could be serious enough?
 
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