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2012 Offense Discussion

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I would describe the Buckeye offense this way this past week: 7 minutes of sheer brilliance interrupted by 53 minutes of ineptitude.

My goodness, if they could just play well for half the game, they'd put up 40 to 50 points.

I understand that they need time to progress. Problem is that they seemed to regress this past week. That's not comforting with a trip to E Lansing coming this week.

Put it together boys. Can't wait to see it, and I'm hoping it is this Saturday.
 
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We have inconsistency for a reason...this offense is vastly different schematically and in tempo than what the current players are used to. I think the players have picked up on it fairly well but there is a reason we stall, whereas Oregon steams through and throws up 50+ points regardless of who replaces stars like LaMicheal James: They are familiar with the system. They run it year in and year out, plus they have recruited players to specifically fill those roles over multiple years under Kelly (just as an example).

Once UFM is done trying to fit round pegs into square holes (not everyone but in great part) and gets his guys that learn his system over time, the consistency will increase. Not to mention the staff will have more time to gel and establish the system. However, I do think the guys are doing fairly well with the change and I think we are only going to improve as we go along.
 
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RB07OSU;2221008; said:
Once UFM is done trying to fit round pegs into square holes (not everyone but in great part) and gets his guys that learn his system over time, the consistency will increase. Not to mention the staff will have more time to gel and establish the system. However, I do think the guys are doing fairly well with the change and I think we are only going to improve as we go along.
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Flashes of MGoBlue.com scUM fans screaming "Once RichRod gets his players in place, it will all be different..." :sick1:
 
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The one thing that I don't understand is that at the beginning of the season Meyer said that Braxton would be involved in scripting the first 20-25 plays and I thought that would be the plays that they would run at the beginning of the game. Last week I also read where Myers said that Braxton was going to have more latitude at the LOS to audible and call his own plays at the LOS. If indeed that is true, I don't understand why he has to look over to the coaches if he has been given the reins to change the plays.
 
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LitlBuck;2221029; said:
The one thing that I don't understand is that at the beginning of the season Meyer said that Braxton would be involved in scripting the first 20-25 plays and I thought that would be the plays that they would run at the beginning of the game. Last week I also read where Myers said that Braxton was going to have more latitude at the LOS to audible and call his own plays at the LOS. If indeed that is true, I don't understand why he has to look over to the coaches if he has been given the reins to change the plays.
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Great question. Legit answer: Who knows whats really going on there. Would need answer from Braxton or the coaches.
 
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OSUK;2220978; said:
I would describe the Buckeye offense this way this past week: 7 minutes of sheer brilliance interrupted by 53 minutes of ineptitude.

My goodness, if they could just play well for half the game, they'd put up 40 to 50 points.

I understand that they need time to progress. Problem is that they seemed to regress this past week. That's not comforting with a trip to E Lansing coming this week.

Put it together boys. Can't wait to see it, and I'm hoping it is this Saturday.
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:lol: Best description I've seen of it so far.

I knew this season would be a learning process and I tried to temper my expectations to a reasonable degree. But, once the ball is kicked and the games start and you see the flashes of brilliance it's frustrating to watch the struggles.

SEREbuckeye;2221016; said:
Flashes of MGoBlue.com scUM fans screaming "Once RichRod gets his players in place, it will all be different..." :sick1:
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Well...without looking at stats, his offenses did seem to get better over the time he was there. They still struggled against the top level teams but his last team wasn't losing to a 3-win Toledo team by only scoring 10 points (they'd lose that game by giving up 55:wink2:).
 
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BuckeyeSoldier;2217464; said:
Let me get this straight, you are going to wait for the offense to line up and be ready to snap the ball. then when he looks to the sideline you are going to run 3 or 4 of your players to the sideline. once they reach the sideline 3 or 4 other players will sprint to the spots those guys should have been covering. Now I see one of two things happening. Either A) your guys cheat and run on before everyone has run off and miller just snaps the ball with or without a play for a free 5 yards or more if the play works. B)while your guys are running off the field he snaps a real play and has you outnumbered/out of position and half of your team and the refs probably wont even know which of your guys were eligible defenders. So now either the ones who didnt get off before the snap have to turn and sprint back AGAIN and be VERY out of position and possibly winded. All of this with the high likely hood that one of the guys waiting to come on tries to make a play even though he isnt eligible or one of the guys going off sits the play out because he isnt sure if he is eligible?

I HOPE that the other team agrees with you on that being a good idea.
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Oversimplify much? The replacements on the sidelines don't have to wait there until those who they're replacing get off the field. And we've yet to take less than 8-10 seconds staring at the sideline getting the play, so the defense would have plenty of time to get in subs that they were problably go to send in anyway. The purpose of the no-huddle is not one-fold but two-fold: 1.) It keeps the defense from making substitutions, either for scheme changes or simply rotating players to keep them fresh, and 2.) Keeps the defense from adjusting to the next offensive play in time.

My point involves point 1. Say I want to rotate out my DEs because they are getting tired of chasing Miller around. I'm going to have my second-string DEs right at the edge of the sidelines, and as soon as all the OSU offensive skill players look to the sideline I'm having my replacement DEs sprint in and calling in those gassed DEs. With amount of time the coaches take to get the play in to Miller, I'll have my fresh DEs in and lined up in plenty of time and my gassed DEs are on the sideline getting a much-needed rest.

Name one single time, just one, where our offense has gotten set, then stood up and looked to the sideline for the play, and then quickly got it and ran the play. You can't. I've seen every play of all four games this year, and they have never done what you suggest could happen, and that is deceptively look over to the sideline as if they're getting play only to quickly snap the ball to catch the defese off-guard. Every time, they've taken more than enough time for a proactive defense to rotate players and have them ready for the snap.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2221040; said:
My point involves point 1. Say I want to rotate out my DEs because they are getting tired of chasing Miller around. I'm going to have my second-string DEs right at the edge of the sidelines, and as soon as all the OSU offensive skill players look to the sideline I'm having my replacement DEs sprint in and calling in those gassed DEs. With amount of time the coaches take to get the play in to Miller, I'll have my fresh DEs in and lined up in plenty of time and my gassed DEs are on the sideline getting a much-needed rest.

Name one single time, just one, where our offense has gotten set, then stood up and looked to the sideline for the play, and then quickly got it and ran the play. You can't. I've seen every play of all four games this year, and they have never done what you suggest could happen, and that is deceptively look over to the sideline as if they're getting play only to quickly snap the ball to catch the defese off-guard. Every time, they've taken more than enough time for a proactive defense to rotate players and have them ready for the snap.
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Ill just say that I have enough faith in Braxton that if he sees the defense with 15 guys on the field at the same time to know he can quick snap the ball for a free 5 yards.
 
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or since you are suggesting he does this once we are already lined up... If the entire defensive front 4 stands up and runs to the sideline snap and let the line decimate the linebackers.. either way works for me.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2221040; said:
Oversimplify much? The replacements on the sidelines don't have to wait there until those who they're replacing get off the field. And we've yet to take less than 8-10 seconds staring at the sideline getting the play, so the defense would have plenty of time to get in subs that they were problably go to send in anyway. The purpose of the no-huddle is not one-fold but two-fold: 1.) It keeps the defense from making substitutions, either for scheme changes or simply rotating players to keep them fresh, and 2.) Keeps the defense from adjusting to the next offensive play in time.

My point involves point 1. Say I want to rotate out my DEs because they are getting tired of chasing Miller around. I'm going to have my second-string DEs right at the edge of the sidelines, and as soon as all the OSU offensive skill players look to the sideline I'm having my replacement DEs sprint in and calling in those gassed DEs. With amount of time the coaches take to get the play in to Miller, I'll have my fresh DEs in and lined up in plenty of time and my gassed DEs are on the sideline getting a much-needed rest.

Name one single time, just one, where our offense has gotten set, then stood up and looked to the sideline for the play, and then quickly got it and ran the play. You can't. I've seen every play of all four games this year, and they have never done what you suggest could happen, and that is deceptively look over to the sideline as if they're getting play only to quickly snap the ball to catch the defese off-guard. Every time, they've taken more than enough time for a proactive defense to rotate players and have them ready for the snap.
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M*ch*g*n State had :15 seconds to deliver a proper substitution, the play was on their side of the field, and they had control of the snap:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LSNUXTdHyc"]Blocked FG/TD, John L. Smith's meltdown - Michigan State 2005 - YouTube[/ame]

Even with 8-10 seconds, there's no way you could execute something like that on defense without it leading to disasters. Even if you are able to train a team to get it right more often than not, it potentially only takes one rush substitution mistake to undo everything you might have gained by getting it right throughout the game. Are you going to count on an nearly an entire two-deep to remain composed making those kind of rushed changes when you have no control over when the ball is snapped? If the situation were reversed, I'd be mortified to see the Buckeyes trying something like that on defense. College athletes make a ton of mistakes when they are rushed or under pressure - if I were a coach there's no way I'd willingly enter my team into that kind of situation.

In this video, LSU lined up with :18 seconds left and the clock running. They made their own substitutions and didn't snap the ball until there was just :03 left. With :15 to make a quick change and the added advantage of LSU making a substitution of their own, Tennessee screwed it up and gave LSU a second chance to win the game:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mAHgD-8k9U"]LSU Miracle Victory Over Tennessee 16-14 - YouTube[/ame]

The entire reason the offense is taking 8-10 seconds or more in that situation is because they can. They know if they are lined up over the ball they have control of the snap and can go on short notice, and no opponent is going to try what you are suggesting. If someone did, I guarantee it would only take one or two instances before the Buckeyes either sped up to stop it or used some kind of hot read or dummy check-with-me to exploit it. In fact, I'd hope that Meyer already has some of those measures in place.
 
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SEREbuckeye;2221016; said:
Flashes of MGoBlue.com scUM fans screaming "Once RichRod gets his players in place, it will all be different..." :sick1:
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How many title games had RichRod played in and/or won? How many SEC titles? How many NFL players had he produced? How many programs had he left with over 80% wins? Ok. There is one difference. Another difference is I didn't simply say it was the players, but also that the scheme will take time to resonate with the carry-over players. Not to mention that we are 4 games in and look drastically better than when RichRod took over.

Point is that UFM has a proven method and scheme, plus a history of great recruiting to match players up to his scheme. There will be some growing pains, but complaining right now is kind of unwarranted.
 
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RB07OSU;2221069; said:
How many title games had RichRod played in and/or won? How many SEC titles? How many NFL players had he produced? How many programs had he left with over 80% wins? Ok. There is one difference. Another difference is I didn't simply say it was the players, but also that the scheme will take time to resonate with the carry-over players. Not to mention that we are 4 games in and look drastically better than when RichRod took over.

Point is that UFM has a proven method and scheme, plus a history of great recruiting to match players up to his scheme. There will be some growing pains, but complaining right now is kind of unwarranted.
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1- Scratch the "NFL talent" argument. NFL has nothing to do with NCAA production. I can name plenty of great Buckeyes not playing on Sundays.

2 - I agree with you thats its a learning curve and the complaining is unwarranted.
 
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