2012 Offense Discussion

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[Buckskin86]

Working out the kinks
Summer workouts helped Buckeyes offense accelerate its learning curve
Updated: August 10, 2012
By Austin Ward | BuckeyeNation


COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The preferred measurement is years.

At this point, Tom Herman can only count practices.

The process of installing an offense obviously takes time, and the new Ohio State offensive coordinator hasn't had nearly as much as he'd like as he teaches the spread offense in training camp.

The Buckeyes had spring practices to lay the groundwork. They've had their playbooks for a while now, spent the summer working on the passing game on their own and Herman has been throwing everything he can at them during the first week of workouts. But until it gets a little harder for him to rattle off the number of practices he's coached with the program, there are going to be growing pains.

"The neat thing about a staff not turning over year after year is the fact that you've got fourth- and fifth-year seniors that have run the same offense for four and five years," Herman said after practice Tuesday. "So, retention, you still teach from the ground up every single time you start spring practice or you start two-a-days, but the retention for the veterans is usually there.

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http://espn.go.com/colleges/osu/foo...es-steady-progress-implementation-new-offense

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

OK, someone edjamacate me as to why we do a hurry-up to the line, only to stop and look over to the sideline for the play like a group of fucking prairie dogs? Doesn't that negate the purpose of the hurry-up?

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

OK, someone edjamacate me as to why we do a hurry-up to the line, only to stop and look over to the sideline for the play like a group of [censored]ing prairie dogs? Doesn't that negate the purpose of the hurry-up?

Only reason is the Defense cant sub... I believe

 

[fanaticbuckeye]

OK, someone edjamacate me as to why we do a hurry-up to the line, only to stop and look over to the sideline for the play like a group of fucking prairie dogs? Doesn't that negate the purpose of the hurry-up?

By running the hurry up like they do a few things happen;

1.) they keep the defense on the field and wear them down; the defense can't substitute
2.) by looking over to the sideline, it allows for the coaches to make an adjustment based off of defensive alignment
3.) if the defense is counting on the offense to seek coaching adjustment and the offense doesn't, they're caught off guard

A no huddle offense can be about quick tempo as much as keeping the defense on the field. The offense knows whats going to happen, the defense is forced to be ready for tempo at all times.

 

[GeorgiaBuck2]

Oklahoma did it with Sam Bradford.

 

[bukIpower]

OK, someone edjamacate me as to why we do a hurry-up to the line, only to stop and look over to the sideline for the play like a group of [censored]ing prairie dogs? Doesn't that negate the purpose of the hurry-up?

I think it does too Mili, I was wondering the same thing the last two games. I hate that stop, get the audible from the coaches, and then play approach.

We know what we do well and we should know what the other team can't stop. Just run the plays we do well and go.

The TD drive where we did the jump pass we ran quickly to the line and snapped, and I think we really were able to get a rythem going because of it. If we're humming on offense, why we would stop/pause and disrupt out momentum is confusing.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

OK, someone edjamacate me as to why we do a hurry-up to the line, only to stop and look over to the sideline for the play like a group of [censored]ing prairie dogs? Doesn't that negate the purpose of the hurry-up?

By running the hurry up like they do a few things happen;

1.) they keep the defense on the field and wear them down; the defense can't substitute
2.) by looking over to the sideline, it allows for the coaches to make an adjustment based off of defensive alignment
3.) if the defense is counting on the offense to seek coaching adjustment and the offense doesn't, they're caught off guard

A no huddle offense can be about quick tempo as much as keeping the defense on the field. The offense knows whats going to happen, the defense is forced to be ready for tempo at all times.

The only thing I would add to fanatic's list is that when Braxton is better at reading defenses, #2 will cease to be important so you will see this go away. Long story short - #2 is the main reason because the coaches are doing the job that, ideally, the qb should be doing on the fly.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

3.) if the defense is counting on the offense to seek coaching adjustment and the offense doesn't, they're caught off guard

I've yet to see the offense take less than about 8-10 seconds looking over to the sidelines, when they do. If I'm an opposing DC, I'm going to check the time between the point when the offense suspends the hurry-up to look to the sideline for the play and the time they resume the play and start making the resulting adjustments. If nearly every instance is 8-10 seconds like it seems, then I'm having my replacements ready on the sidelines to send in the split second Miller stands upright and look to the sideline, and I'd keep doing that until Miller stops looking to the sideline for plays.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

While we're talking offense.

The Buckeyes have scored 122 points so far this year.

That's 32 points more than they scored in any 3 game span last year.

It's 10 points more than they scored in any 4 game span last year.

......

If the Buckeyes score 34 points against UAB, they will have scored more in 4 games than in any 6 game span last year. If they score 60 points, they will equal their best 7 game stretch of last season. That's a distinct possibility, as UAB is last among FBS teams in scoring defense and behind 3 of the 4 reclassifying-provisional* teams.


*Reclassifying-provisional is a term used for teams that are in the process of moving up from FCS. They are not ranked in FBS stats while reclassifying.

 

[Tlangs]

...The TD drive where we did the jump pass we ran quickly to the line and snapped, and I think we really were able to get a rythem going because of it.

Maybe the defense was caught off guard thinking that Brax was going to change the play.

 

[tillmatic]

Great info on the offense against Cal in here

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/09/14067/osu-v-cal-offensive-breakdown

 

[Buckeneye]

Great point as the QB counter trey and QB power have all been from empty sets, with Boren on the wing.

As opposing defenses see this more and more going forward, I wonder what the chances are of seeing some type of Hback screen from that formation?

Just thinking out loud.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

I've yet to see the offense take less than about 8-10 seconds looking over to the sidelines, when they do. If I'm an opposing DC, I'm going to check the time between the point when the offense suspends the hurry-up to look to the sideline for the play and the time they resume the play and start making the resulting adjustments. If nearly every instance is 8-10 seconds like it seems, then I'm having my replacements ready on the sidelines to send in the split second Miller stands upright and look to the sideline, and I'd keep doing that until Miller stops looking to the sideline for plays.

Let me get this straight, you are going to wait for the offense to line up and be ready to snap the ball. then when he looks to the sideline you are going to run 3 or 4 of your players to the sideline. once they reach the sideline 3 or 4 other players will sprint to the spots those guys should have been covering. Now I see one of two things happening. Either A) your guys cheat and run on before everyone has run off and miller just snaps the ball with or without a play for a free 5 yards or more if the play works. B)while your guys are running off the field he snaps a real play and has you outnumbered/out of position and half of your team and the refs probably wont even know which of your guys were eligible defenders. So now either the ones who didnt get off before the snap have to turn and sprint back AGAIN and be VERY out of position and possibly winded. All of this with the high likely hood that one of the guys waiting to come on tries to make a play even though he isnt eligible or one of the guys going off sits the play out because he isnt sure if he is eligible?

I HOPE that the other team agrees with you on that being a good idea.

 

[bukIpower]

Great point as the QB counter trey and QB power have all been from empty sets, with Boren on the wing.

As opposing defenses see this more and more going forward, I wonder what the chances are of seeing some type of Hback screen from that formation?

Just thinking out loud.

Or even give Braxton an read option. Have him move toward the LOS if the middle backer attacks braxton hit the slot guy running up the seam or if the backer goes with the seam have braxton take the power dive.

Kinda like the throw we did in the Sugar Bowl with the TE up the seam.

I sorta suppose it'd be like the jump pass but much more conventional than a "lob"