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2012 Defense Discussion

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vs UNL, there were none either. Huh. Maybe Braxton should stop scoring so quick?

1:37 OSU 15 3 3 Punt
1:20 OSU 30 3 -5 Punt
2:29 OSU 25 3 0 Punt
1:20 OSU 22 4 9 Turnover on Downs
1:10 OSU 25 3 75 Rushing Touchdown
0:45 OSU 20 2 20 Passing Touchdown
3:48 OSU 25 10 75 Rushing Touchdown
1:04 OSU 42 6 57 Rushing Touchdown
4:35 OSU 24 10 75 Rushing Touchdown
3:41 OSU 10 8 70 Fumble
1:44 OSU 38 3 62 Rushing Touchdown
2:21 OSU 30 3 2 Punt
2:14 OSU 26 4 26 Rushing Touchdown

Sparty. Zero:

2:51 OSU 25 8 75 Rushing Touchdown
2:52 OSU 25 6 18 Punt
1:58 OSU 20 3 7 Punt
3:56 OSU 20 8 55 Interception
2:42 OSU 11 4 20 Punt
0:45 OSU 35 2 -3 Fumble
0:33 OSU 24 2 5 End of Half
4:56 OSU 25 13 66 Field Goal Good
1:44 OSU 26 4 74 Passing Touchdown
2:32 OSU 15 6 39 Fumble
1:28 OSU 35 3 2 Punt
4:10 OSU 20 9 20 End of Half

UAB. One, and it was exactly 5:00 minutes, however something is clearly screwey in ESPNs drive charting for the 3rd Q, so this probably isn't accurate:

0:44 OSU 32 3 7 Punt
3:55 OSU 14 7 29 Punt
1:44 OSU 38 3 1 Punt
3:56 UAB 44 10 75 Rushing Touchdown
1:54 UAB 23 5 75 Rushing Touchdown
0:26 UAB 21 3 32 Rushing Touchdown
0:00 OSU 20 3 8 Punt
0:00 OSU 15 7 35
0:00 OSU 25 3 -1 Punt
5:00 OSU 29 10 71 Rushing Touchdown
1:35 UAB 43 3 0 Punt

Cal. None. In fact. There were no 4:00 minutes drives, and only two over 3:00.

2:43 OSU 25 6 18 Punt
0:44 OSU 4 3 8 Punt
0:49 OSU 39 3 61 Rushing Touchdown
1:11 OSU 25 4 75 Passing Touchdown
1:33 OSU 45 5 45 Passing Touchdown
1:05 OSU 23 3 -8 Punt
2:11 OSU 23 3 3 Punt
1:11 OSU 14 2 15 End of Half
3:22 OSU 33 5 8 Punt
1:05 OSU 22 3 -1 Punt
1:13 OSU 20 3 -1 Punt
0:58 OSU 25 3 4 Punt
3:55 OSU 25 11 75 Passing Touchdown
0:53 OSU 26 3 3 Interception
0:54 OSU 25 3 75 Passing Touchdown
1:22 OSU 40 3 -4 End of Half

UCF. Two.

3:18 OSU 29 7 71 Rushing Touchdown
3:51 OSU 12 8 35 Turnover on Downs
5:14 OSU 26 13 67 Field Goal Good
2:36 OSU 35 5 27 Fumble
3:03 OSU 48 8 48 Rushing Touchdown
4:35 OSU 24 12 76 Passing Touchdown
0:46 OSU 32 3 32 Rushing Touchdown
0:51 OSU 25 3 -7 Interception
5:13 OSU 8 9 33 Punt
2:58 OSU 47 6 3 Punt
0:51 OSU 48 2 5 Fumble

MIA. One, and that was when they were salting the game.

1:46 OSU 11 5 15 Punt
1:33 OSU 20 3 9 Punt
1:38 OSU 25 4 22 Punt
0:56 OSU 46 3 2 Punt
1:03 OSU 16 4 83 Passing Touchdown
2:22 OSU 43 7 57 Passing Touchdown
3:57 OSU 27 9 73 Rushing Touchdown
2:19 OSU 20 12 79 End of Half
0:17 OSU 35 1 65 Rushing Touchdown
1:16 OSU 22 3 -1 Punt
3:31 OSU 40 8 25 Punt
1:42 OSU 47 4 2 Punt
0:05 OSU 8 1 8 Rushing Touchdown
2:46 OSU 40 8 41 Rushing Touchdown
6:15 OSU 32 14 68 Rushing Touchdown
 
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bukIpower;2235169; said:
To be honest starting from scratch personnel and coaching a like may actually be what we need. Right now we all have opinions on who really is at fault for how poor we are on defense. I am in the field that says the coaches need to go but honestly some fresh talent may also help going forward into 2013'

Personally I'm excited to see the speed that Jamal Marcus/David Perkins bring to the table next year, and i'm excited to see what the young defensive line can accomplish. I want to thank all of the seniors on defense in advance but in saying that losing that many players (potentially) from a bottom ranked defense may not be a bad thing.

There's never a GOOD time to replace a coordinator but when you're looking at a National Championship run in 2013' due to how dangerous the offense should be we better have something to offer on defense as well. If the current staff can't put up respectable numbers with a veteran group then WTF is going to happen when they have a green group? Won't be good I'll tell you that much.

As for the person who said "i'm glad I don't have a job working for any of you". I'm glad you don't work for me too because I'd be unhappy if I had to do your job for you (Meyer now working with the defense). :biggrin:
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I agree with that fresh talent for 2013 will make a world of difference. I have nothing but respect for the 2011-12 starters learning a new system this past offseason, but part of their struggles (I believe) is having to unlearn their earlier tutoring.

The freshmen and c/o 2013 are being brought in specifically because the brain trust thinks they can play under the system that will be in place for multiple seasons. Of course the freshmen are just that, and people expect them to be the next Freshman of the Year and slide into the starting lineup. That's incredibly rare at a school like Ohio State.

In short, I think it may be personnel rather than coaching. Calling them square pegs in round holes is not demeaning to them.
 
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I started this in the Luke Fickel thread, probably better to put it here.

Trying to figure out how decimated we are on defense.

Bold is freshman, italics is injured.

CB
Doran Grant
Adam Griffin
Travis Howard
Armani Reeves
DB
CJ Barnett
Devan Bogard
Corey Brown
Christian Bryant
Zach Domicone
Orhian Johnson
Najee Murray
Vincent Petrella
Tyvis Powell
Bradley Roby
Nik Sarac
Ron Tanner
Jamie Wood
DL
Michael Bennett
Dalton Britt
Chris Carter
Rashad Frazier
Garrett Goebel
Jonathan Hankins
John Holman
Claudius Mbemba
William McCary
Steve Miller
J.T. Moore
Se'Von Pittman
Tommy Schutt
John Simon
Noah Spence
Kharim Stephens
Adolphus Washington
Nathan Williams
DT
Joel Hale
LB
Joe Burger
Conner Crowell
Craig Fada
Curtis Grant
Storm Klein
Jamal Marcus
Ross Oltorik
David Perkins
Joshua Perry
Luke Roberts
Etienne Sabino
Ryan Shazier
Stewart Smith
Camren Williams
 
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I don't know the answer to this question so maybe someone who knows the inner workings of a coaching staff can answer it but how do "co-coordinators" work:huh:

I mean which one would have the responsibility for dictating the offense or defense for a specific game and which one would be calling the plays/formations during the game. If the philosophies of two guys are different who makes the call:huh: This is just not specific to Ohio State put on any football team I can't see how you can have co-coordinators because someone has to make that ultimate decision and it cannot be the head coach during a game because there isn't enough time between plays to run a decision by the HC.

It just seems awfully confusing to me and I have never heard of it on a professional level.
 
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LitlBuck;2235374; said:
I don't know the answer to this question so maybe someone who knows the inner workings of a coaching staff can answer it but how do "co-coordinators" work:huh:
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My understanding is Withers helps with gameplans and probably talks with Fickell during the game, but Fickell calls the plays. Those plays do not go through Coach Meyer. However, starting this week, Coach Meyer is going to be a little more involved with the Defense at practices.
 
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Coqui;2235249; said:
I started this in the Luke Fickel thread, probably better to put it here.

Trying to figure out how decimated we are on defense.

Bold is freshman, italics is injured.

CB
Doran Grant
Adam Griffin
Travis Howard
Armani Reeves
DB
CJ Barnett
Devan Bogard
Corey Brown
Christian Bryant
Zach Domicone
Orhian Johnson
Najee Murray
Vincent Petrella
Tyvis Powell
Bradley Roby
Nik Sarac
Ron Tanner
Jamie Wood
DL
Michael Bennett
Dalton Britt
Chris Carter
Rashad Frazier
Garrett Goebel
Jonathan Hankins
John Holman
Claudius Mbemba
William McCary
Steve Miller
J.T. Moore
Se'Von Pittman
Tommy Schutt
John Simon
Noah Spence
Kharim Stephens
Adolphus Washington
Nathan Williams
DT
Joel Hale
LB
Joe Burger
Conner Crowell
Craig Fada
Curtis Grant
Storm Klein
Jamal Marcus
Ross Oltorik
David Perkins
Joshua Perry
Luke Roberts
Etienne Sabino
Ryan Shazier
Stewart Smith
Camren Williams
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There is a LB on that list that is neither in bold or italics who is seriously underperforming. This couldn't come at a worse time.
 
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bassplayer7770 said:
My understanding is Withers helps with gameplans and probably talks with Fickell during the game, but Fickell calls the plays. Those plays do not go through Coach Meyer. However, starting this week, Coach Meyer is going to be a little more involved with the Defense at practices.
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Meyer stated last week that he also would like to see more press coverage, not exactly those words, so I don't know how much it is going to mean by him becoming more involved in practice this week.
 
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LitlBuck;2235395; said:
Meyer stated last week that he also would like to see more press coverage, not exactly those words, so I don't know how much it is going to mean by him becoming more involved in practice this week.
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For example, it has been stated this is the first week Coach Meyer has attended Defensive meetings.
 
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From the game notes:

17 MISSED GAMES
Ohio State has had seven different starters or pro- spective starters, miss a total of 17 games already this season because of injury. The defensive unit has endured 11 missed games, including losing 11-game starter at linebacker and 46-game veteran Etienne Sabino for the Indiana game and into the foresee- able future.
Games Missed by Prospective Starters:
4 – DL Michael Bennett
4 – RB Jordan Hall
3 – SAF C.J. Barnett
2 – RB Carlos Hyde
2 – DL Nathan Williams
1 – CB Bradley Roby
1 – LB Etienne Sabino
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