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2012 Defense Discussion

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LitlBuck;2235886; said:
To be honest, I think I would be sleeping better at night about our defense:biggrin2: if Carlos Hyde had not had an illegal procedure penalty called on him with about 5 minutes left in the game on a 1st and 10 and the score was 52-34. I think we would have gotten a first down at probably would have milked the clock down to around 2 minutes at least and the final score would have probably ended 52-34 and there would not be a lot about our defense. Maybe I'm being too simplistic but that's just my opinion:wink:
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Look at what you are saying: if IU had only scored 34, not 49, you would sleep better! When they had 34, I wanted to puke up some chunks. When they scored 49, the entire contents were being wretched. :)

It's as simple as this: We have an elite offense that will score on anyone left on our schedule. But our D is going to get us beat if it does not go from embarassing to at least average.
 
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fanaticbuckeye;2235843; said:
What good is a stunt/twist with a 3 step drop? If that's what is killing us, would the best case be to penetrate certain lanes and put your hands up to deflect passes? At the same time, shouldn't the cb's press? But that has been questioned to death at this point.

How many times have our CB's been burnt in man coverage? I know there have been a couple of times in the secondary, but was it a man situation or miscommunication in a zone? I know the LB's struggle in coverage and I heard/read that the coaches preferred zone coverage because of the deficiencies. I guess my thought is, if we are getting burnt now, why not get uber aggressive and try to create mayhem? We may sti get burnt, but we may increase turnovers in the process. This just seems like a great chance to get creative through aggression; especially knowing our offense can keep up in a track meet.
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I'm right there with you fanaticbuckeye. What happened to the twists/stunts, man coverage on the outside and mixing up blitzes. I can't stand to watch us sit back in a zone defense and let QBs pick us apart. We give up quick throws to recievers by our corners playing way off the ball all game. Where's the adjustments, or the hit you in the mouth defense that plays man defense and takes away the quick throws. The scheme is broke and they continue to not fix it/ try different things. I know we have no LB depth, but is there seriously no one who can fill in with all the talent we've brought in at LB. Michigan State is the only game I can remember where we went to man defense occasional times. Until we mix up our defensive schemes we will continue to get no pass rush and contiue top be in the bottom ten nationally in pass defense.
 
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cincibuck;2235714; said:
The size of all the linebackers- whippets where we used to have rottweilers- concerns me. Two questions come to mind 1) is this part of Meyer's philosophy - hard to believe since this is still "Tressel's team" ? 2) Is Shazier a pro Safety?
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Maybe it's going to take some type for Urban to sell his philosophy, on what ever it is, as you say because this is still Tressel's team. Are the "whippets
from urbans scheme or did Tressel have "rottweilers when he was coaching?
 
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OSUK;2235906; said:
Look at what you are saying: if IU had only scored 34, not 49, you would sleep better! When they had 34, I wanted to puke up some chunks. When they scored 49, the entire contents were being wretched. :)

It's as simple as this: We have an elite offense that will score on anyone left on our schedule. But our D is going to get us beat if it does not go from embarassing to at least average.
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I'm not too entirely sold on our offense. Miles ahead of how we started in the year, but I worried that our inability to be consistent to move the ball will come back to haunt us in an environment like Happy Valley or Camp Randall.

Miller still needs to prove that he can be a threat throwing the ball. When he can do that, he'll be unstoppable.
 
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youra6;2236210; said:
I'm not too entirely sold on our offense. Miles ahead of how we started in the year, but I worried that our inability to be consistent to move the ball will come back to haunt us in an environment like Happy Valley or Camp Randall.

Miller still needs to prove that he can be a threat throwing the ball. When he can do that, he'll be unstoppable.
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There is no question that the Offense still has room to improve. The thought of that probably frightens the rest of the B1G...
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that article makes me wonder why the staff is trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. these kids were recruited to run a cover-2 (or was it 3? i forget) scheme.
i think half the issue lies in the responsibilities being switched in cover-4. they are reading and reacting as if they are still in cover-2 (or 3), which leads directly to them being out of position. this compounds the defensive speed issues because they have to stop and think about what they are supposed to do now. late reactions multiplied by reacting the wrong direction is a recipe for disaster.

switch back to cover-2 (or 3), please.
 
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Attack on defense and score on offense.

A direct response to Herman or whomever's it was on the goal line to pass when we were up 14, kept Indiana in the game. If we go up 21 instead of allowing them to get closer, they go to sleep instead of finding more plays in their pockets.


Attack teams on defense, make your mistakes and live with them through effort. Keep the pressure on other teams by continuing to score. Simple football strategy really.
 
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OSUK;2235786; said:
Their problems mystify me. When you look at those D linemen individually, they are very impressive players who are capable of controlling the LOS. They look like Tarzan, but produce like Jane - especially in terms of pressuring the QB without blitz packages. If someone wants to line up in the I and run between the tackles (like MSU), they look great. Against the spread running game, they are terrible.

The secondary is similar to the line - Roby and Barnett are really good players. Howard is a big play guy. Johnson and Bryant are alternatingly really good and really bad. They do a great job of coverage and knocking the ball out of receivers' hands, but then they will have a play where a guy is running wide open and they are reacting slow and taking bad angles.

The LB situation I do understand. They were thin to begin with then Grant just can't get it, then Sabino goes down, and now we have Z Boren leading us in tackles. So, this is definitely the weakest link. Could the line and secondary be trying to play their role AND cover for what is not being done behind and in front of them?

I'm just not sure where the breakdown is. I have to assume they are being coached well, but I wonder whether the scheme is making them less aggressive. Too complicated? Yet it seems that they are playing pretty basic. If it's not that, you get into quasi-metaphysical concepts like leadership, attitude, spirit, confidence, etc.

All I know is that we won Sat night - and I felt nauseous.
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Skimmed your wall of text, but I would submit that the D could solve 50%+ of its problems by taking better angles and tackling.
 
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Buckeye doc;2236711; said:
Ross Fulton's weekly defense breakdown:

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/...yes-vs-indiana-hoosiers-defensive-review#more

Good read as usual.
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I love reading his stuff. In the comments, he hints at what the man upstairs wants run, is that Withers or Meyer? I assume Meyer, but just seeking clarification. This cover 4 scheme being all the fad, is it because it allows flexible coverage and blitz schemes? Or is it the system that Bama and LSU run and has given fits to Meyer in the past?
 
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Mike80;2236807; said:
Yep and the attitude to attack attack attack would probably resolve at least half of the remaining 50% as well.
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I mean, look what it did for the French in WWI -- sorry, I couldn't resist.

I have no clue as to why this defense isn't living up to the preseason hype.
 
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