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Buckeye86
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WolverineMike;1872491; said:
and Rich Rodriguez will revolutionize offense in the Big Ten, we will see what happens...
I am not saying Hoke won't improve the team, I just don't think it will happen overnight, it will take a year or three to get his players into the system and for them to learn the system
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WolverineMike
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i'm not saying it'll happen overnight either, but the improvement will be vast year in and year out, in my IMO 
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germ
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We will have a Redshirt JR and Redshirt SR at CB next year if they remain healthy.
Safty we have a SR and SO who got a ton of playing time. Gordon and Kovacs.
I am a little happy with our secondary. If the coaching staff can teach them how to tackle and take the correct pursuit angles they will be better.
For me it all starts on the line, and here is where we have experiance comong back
DE Black
DE VanBergin
DT Mike Martin
DT Washington
Looking at the spring roster I see Roh has been moved to LB
Demens LB
Roh LB
Ryan LB
Can this d compete with the best in the big ten, not this year, but I think they can not get run over. Which is a step up
He was one player short, he needed a RB badly. It would have been interesting to see DR with a good RB with him.
Safty we have a SR and SO who got a ton of playing time. Gordon and Kovacs.
I am a little happy with our secondary. If the coaching staff can teach them how to tackle and take the correct pursuit angles they will be better.
For me it all starts on the line, and here is where we have experiance comong back
DE Black
DE VanBergin
DT Mike Martin
DT Washington
Looking at the spring roster I see Roh has been moved to LB
Demens LB
Roh LB
Ryan LB
Can this d compete with the best in the big ten, not this year, but I think they can not get run over. Which is a step up
He was one player short, he needed a RB badly. It would have been interesting to see DR with a good RB with him.
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Buckeye86
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WolverineMike;1872495; said:i'm not saying it'll happen overnight either, but the improvement will be vast year in and year out, in my IMO
5-7, 9-4, 10-3, 9-4, 10-3, 11-2, 8-5... ect. ect.
the improvement may be "vast" over Rodriguez, but I don't see them breaking through the Carr era standard of "consistently better than mediocre"
will that be good enough for the fan base? or will we get to witness the continuing downward coaching search spiral a la Notre Dame?
one thing Hoke has in his corner is he will most likely pull an absolutely loaded group of players out of Ohio in 2012, which has historically been the foundation of good Michigan teams
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Buckeye86
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germ;1872500; said:
a bunch of players that have been absolutely terrible
does it really matter how experienced your team is when that experience involves consistently sucking balls?
they may have better fundamentals, but one year isn't going to magically transform them from the terrible defenders they have been throughout their careers
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germ;1872500; said:
so you are happy that these guys are returning? Last i checked they were the worst safety combination in the big ten last year.
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germ
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Buckeye86;1872501; said:
Agreed 100%, but if Hoke focus his efforts on defense like he states and had a "high" profile DC I think he can be better then the Carr era, hell even if he matches it, 1 NC in his tenure would be great.
He has to follow the formula for success, a coach(Tressel) has the formula. In the last ten years has anyone been better? It starts with the defensive line.
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Tlangs;1872507; said:
I don't think it was just those two who were the worst in football last year on this defense
Vinpol still has Herron's foot print on his head when he ran over him
These two may not be the guys, but having a good front 7 can make the secondary look really good.
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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
germ;1872500; said:
...and RR still went 3-9, 5-7, and 7-6. With blowout losses to any decent teams on the schedule. When you say that RR was one player short of revolutionizing offense in the Big Ten and it would have been interesting to see DR with a good RB, are you suggesting that things would have been dramatically different? Because otherwise, your puffery is all a bunch of smoke.
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He had one. Denard was the best all-purpose back the conference has seen in awhile, who could flank Tate quite nicely
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stkoran
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Let's be honest, the return of a decent DB in Woolfolk isn't going to "turn the defense around." Michigan's D remains a train wreck. The current starters are terrible, and the bench isn't stocked with young talent.
Do I think the defense will improve this year? Yes. Do I think it will continue to improve? Yes. But, that isn't exactly saying much when only ten schools in the FBS had a worse defense, eight of which aren't in an BCS conference, the other two being Texas Tech and perennial sad sack Washington State. All Hoke has to do is actually try and recruit some kids who actually play defense and make sure that Mattison doesn't try to coach via some stuffed animal venrtiolquist act and they should be better.
The two things that are going to dictate whether Michigan can put together an elite defense over the next few years are 1) recruiting, 2) recruiting, and 2) Mattison's ability to develop talent. Mattison's defenses at ND seemed to be ok (which would be a huge improvement for UM), but not elite.
Legitimate question: would Michigan be better of starting tOSU's 2011 defensive recruiting class next year over their current squad? I don't think there's much doubt that, at a minimum, Bennett, either Miller or Hayes (perhaps both), Grant, and Grant would be starting for them next year, and I could see Cash or Crowell getting in the lineup as well. Not to mention the fact that we picked up Dionte Allen, who will compete for a starting spot with us, while at scUM you know the reaction would be "ZOMG!!! ALLEN + TWOLFE = RETURN TO GLORY!!!!!!!"
Do I think the defense will improve this year? Yes. Do I think it will continue to improve? Yes. But, that isn't exactly saying much when only ten schools in the FBS had a worse defense, eight of which aren't in an BCS conference, the other two being Texas Tech and perennial sad sack Washington State. All Hoke has to do is actually try and recruit some kids who actually play defense and make sure that Mattison doesn't try to coach via some stuffed animal venrtiolquist act and they should be better.
The two things that are going to dictate whether Michigan can put together an elite defense over the next few years are 1) recruiting, 2) recruiting, and 2) Mattison's ability to develop talent. Mattison's defenses at ND seemed to be ok (which would be a huge improvement for UM), but not elite.
Legitimate question: would Michigan be better of starting tOSU's 2011 defensive recruiting class next year over their current squad? I don't think there's much doubt that, at a minimum, Bennett, either Miller or Hayes (perhaps both), Grant, and Grant would be starting for them next year, and I could see Cash or Crowell getting in the lineup as well. Not to mention the fact that we picked up Dionte Allen, who will compete for a starting spot with us, while at scUM you know the reaction would be "ZOMG!!! ALLEN + TWOLFE = RETURN TO GLORY!!!!!!!"
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germ
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buckeyesin07;1872511; said:
The offense would have been way better with a good back. They still would have the same record. The issue was the defence not being able to stop anyone and getting the offense back on the field.
Not being able to key on DR will be interesting to see.
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germ
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stkoran;1872519; said:
Then you don't really know like me
The issue was(IMO) more about the front 7 and not putting ANY pressure on the ball. I don't care who you have in the Secondary. If you give any FBS qb time they will tear you apart. If you let any FBS running back in your secondary, you're screwed.
The "fix" needs to come with the front 7 and having a DC with balls to call a blitz. I am just guessing:)
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