2011 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[MONTbigBuck]

If the staff likes Cardale's potential better than anyone OSU has a realistic shot at for '12, possibly steering him toward a prep school would be an option. This could accomplish several things, including; continued development of a raw talent, strengthening of academic standing, and providing seperation from B. Miller. Jones would have 2 years seperation with a red-shirt, and would be ready to play when his time came.

 

[wadc45]

If the staff likes Cardale's potential better than anyone OSU has a realistic shot at for '12, possibly steering him toward a prep school would be an option. This could accomplish several things, including; continued development of a raw talent, strengthening of academic standing, and providing seperation from B. Miller. Jones would have 2 years seperation with a red-shirt, and would be ready to play when his time came.

A kid with offers from Penn State, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Cincinnati, West Virginia, etc. is not going to pass on all those offers to go to prep school...even if OSU were to offer a conditional offer for 2012, which I doubt will happen.

 

[MONTbigBuck]

A kid with offers from Penn State, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Cincinnati, West Virginia, etc. is not going to pass on all those offers to go to prep school...even if OSU were to offer a conditional offer for 2012, which I doubt will happen.

The one certainty in this whole scenario is that without some offer from OSU Jones will definitely be playing college ball somewhere else. I am not qualified to say that Cardale is an OSU caliber recruit. WAD, you are in a much better position to know what the staff thinks with regards to Jones' potential. But, if the staff likes Jones as a prospect, and his sole reason for being not offered is scholarship availability for '11, then I see nothing but positives in finding a creative way to offer. The staff has proposed grey-shirt offers before. Good businesman always find creative ways to make a deal happen, while understanding when dealing from a weakened position that there won't always be success. You may be right that the chance of Jones considering anything other than a straight-up offer for '11 would be low. Not trying equals a success rate of zero in this case.

 

[armsbendback]

I think what WAD was saying is that there is very little chance of a prospect of Jones caliber, who has the opportunity to play at other high level schools, to accept a grey shirt offer over full offers from those other universities. Not only from a status/feeling wanted standpoint, but also from a financial standpoint. Bauserman was more able to grey shirt because he had the financial security from his minor league contract and bonus money. Jones doesn't have that same luxury.

 

[pnuts34]

The one certainty in this whole scenario is that without some offer from OSU Jones will definitely be playing college ball somewhere else. I am not qualified to say that Cardale is an OSU caliber recruit. WAD, you are in a much better position to know what the staff thinks with regards to Jones' potential. But, if the staff likes Jones as a prospect, and his sole reason for being not offered is scholarship availability for '11, then I see nothing but positives in finding a creative way to offer. The staff has proposed grey-shirt offers before. Good businesman always find creative ways to make a deal happen, while understanding when dealing from a weakened position that there won't always be success. You may be right that the chance of Jones considering anything other than a straight-up offer for '11 would be low. Not trying equals a success rate of zero in this case.

And even if Jones had the luxury, I doubt he or any high profile recruit would take a gray shirt just because they wanted to play for a team they rooted for as a kid. This is a business and these kids know this, I would say that a 0% chance of him gray shirting is rather high. This kid isn't a prospect like Troy was, where coaching staffs had him listed as an ATH because he didn't have a full grasp of the QB position by the time he graduated HS. Cardale is turning into a rather big time QB prospect nationally, and thinking he would gray shirt is just the fan in you MONTbigbuck. No disrespect but you got to look at this through the eyes of recruit and not a fan. Fans would gray shirt in a heartbeat to play for the team they've always rooted for, recruits don't always feel the same way, and thus many of them end up at schools they never rooted for, or even going to their arch rival. Kids want to be put in the best position to get them to the league, and also the best position to get them on the field in a possible success role as well.

 

[B-town Buckeye]

offering Jones a greyshirt would be insulting IMO. The Bucks either want him or they don't. and they don't have to decide on that right now or really in the near future, either.

 

[pnuts34]

This echos my view also. Give us Braxton and if Cardale gets his score find a way to get him in. All our eggs are in the Miller basket(which still scares me).

That's always been my viewpoint on the situation as well. It's always scarey to put all your hopes on the legs or arms of one player, albeit a very talented one. I wasn't really worried when we did that for TP, because he was bigger and was rarely if ever injured. Braxton has been, and this is a rare year where we have 2 top flight QBs in our state. Pretty much any other top program from UF, Texas, USC, Alabama, if they had 2 top QBs in their state, wouldn't hesitate for a second to nab them both, and say screw the numbers. I'm sure the staff can find 1 scholly for this kid. Like was stated before, if we turned back the clock and only took 1 QB between Zwick and Smith, we're taking Zwick and wouldn't have looked back. Until Zwick started stinking up the place and would set our program back years. But the good thing was that we took another more raw QB, and coached him up and he worked on his game and turned into a Heisman winner and NFL draft pick. Not saying the same thing would happen with Jones and Miller, but you never know.

 

[MONTbigBuck]

;].[/B] Cardale is turning into a rather big time QB prospect nationally, and thinking he would gray shirt is just the fan in you MONTbigbuck. No disrespect but you got to look at this through the eyes of recruit and not a fan.

No disrespect nuts but I am actually ambivelent regarding Cardale. My perspective was actually to put myself in the staff's shoes, while making several assumptiions that the staff actually wants Cardale. In the Miller thread posters went on for 2 pages over Jones. If tight scholly numbers, seperation, competing qb ego battles, and B. Miller are all reasons not to bring him in then why all the wasted words. If Jones was anywhere but at Glenville I would agree that anything but a straight up offer would be hopeless. No harm in probing the situation with Jones and Ted Ginn. In the end I think I shall just take Wad's earlier advice and just forget about Jones, unless we at some point do see 'official offer" in his thread title.

 

[Bill Lucas]

Until Zwick started stinking up the place and would set our program back years.

PNuts,

Can we please stop with comments like this. First, it is conjecture and secondly we don't bash Buckeyes here. Take comments like this to Bucknuts.

Thank you.

 

[pnuts34]

PNuts,

Can we please stop with comments like this. First, it is conjecture and secondly we don't bash Buckeyes here. Take comments like this to Bucknuts.

Thank you.

My fault, didnt think I was bashing. Others have stated worse. But anyway, won't happen anymore. My only point is take 2 QBs instead of 1 because you never know who the star can be on the team over time.
And I agree, Montbigbuck we might as well give up on Jones until we see a thread change. Its wasted words. We should be happy with eventually getting Miller and hope that Guiton or Reed progresses well at QB while in S&G.

 

[Cincinnatibuck]

My fault, didnt think I was bashing. Others have stated worse. But anyway, won't happen anymore. My only point is take 2 QBs instead of 1 because you never know who the star can be on the team over time.
And I agree, Montbigbuck we might as well give up on Jones until we see a thread change. Its wasted words. We should be happy with eventually getting Miller and hope that Guiton or Reed progresses well at QB while in S&G.

No respect for Graham shown again.

 

[sphincter]

Not about respect, he simply hasn't stayed healthy. Why would we assume that automatically changes once he wears the S&G?

 

[Cincinnatibuck]

Not about respect, he simply hasn't stayed healthy. Why would we assume that automatically changes once he wears the S&G?

Why would you assume Miller would stay healthy? If Graham gets injured there's nothing we can do about it, but I would still hope that Buckeye Fans would like for him to progress at QB while wearing S&G.

 

[sphincter]

Miller also has missed a lot of time due to injury. Assuming he commits to the good guys, that's 2 QBs in a row one year after the other with histories of injury. That's why I'd be more comfortable with another QB for 2011, Mr Jones or whoever may earn it.

 

[pnuts34]

Miller also has missed a lot of time due to injury. Assuming he commits to the good guys, that's 2 QBs in a row one year after the other with histories of injury. That's why I'd be more comfortable with another QB for 2011, Mr Jones or whoever may earn it.

Agreed 100%! I thought that same reason was the reason we tood Graham and Reed last year. I don't have a knock on Graham other than his injury concerns, and forgetting him was an oversight on my part. I just happen to like more athletic, dual threat QBs, especially in the CFB landscape now, where many teams are using the QBs legs as another weapon in the arsenal to go with their arm. And Reed and Guiton bring that to the table, not saying that Graham can't be successful as a pocket passer, I wish for the best from Graham, and I'll hold off on any assessment of him until he hits the field for us.