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2010 TSUN News (in-season)

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buckeyesin07;1799947; said:
Purdue should be a W. Illinois should be an L. Everything's riding on this weekend, IMO. If Bolden plays, I'd watch out--when two pretty similar teams match up, the one playing at home at night usually wins.
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I don't think it matters who's under center...Bolden has been pretty bad lately. If PSU is gonna have a chance, they're gonna have to hope that Royster/Green/Redd can be effective enough to set up some play action and they can find a way to keep up because scUM's offense is gonna shred that slow/unathletic defense. I honestly wouldn't be shocked to see the vulvarines hang 50 on them. Not saying it's gonna happen, but it wouldn't shock me. If DickRod can't win this game, he's a dead man walking, IMO. This isn't the same PSU team that dominated them the past two years, these guys more closely resemble some of the 2000-04 State Penn teams.
 
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Jaxbuck;1799927; said:
And scUM has clearly distanced itself from this pack how?

Single digit escapes from IU 2 years in a row? Back to back losses to Purdue?

I'll give you that they are probably the class of the bottom dwellers but that is still their neighborhood until proven otherwise.
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Indiana is one thing, but they haven't PLAYED Purdue yet this season.

Purdue and Minny imo = worse then last seasons counterparts, no playmakers, no real signs of being able to compete from either one of these teams. Remember that Purdue team that beat Michigan last year also beat us and almost beat Oregon. They were inconsistent but they showed some fight at times, this years team doesn't really show any of that.

Right now we don't really know how Michigan stacks up against the middle of the pack teams in the Big Ten. They showed they were able to move the ball on Iowa and to a certain extent on Sparty even though they weren't able to turn that into points.

Imo the hierarchy goes like this

The Big 4, tOSU/Wiscy/Iowa/Sparty: The class of the league, I think Ohio State is still the most talented of these teams not to be too much of a homer. I think Sparty could actually be considered the most suspect of these teams even though they were able to knock off Wisconsin.

#5: Illinois, below the big 4, but above the other teams. Zook's recruiting is paying off it appears. They are playing well on the defensive side.

#6 Michigan: Their offense puts them in most games, their defense keeps other teams in every game.

#7 Northwestern: Has the ability to make some plays, not consistent enough.

#8 Penn State: Just dismal this year, freshmen qb, shitty line, young defense.

#9/#10/#11: Purdue/Indiana/Minny: These guys maybe have 3 playmakers on either side of the ball between them.


Now talent and order of finish depends on a lot of different variables. Michigan for instance has to play all 5 of the teams that are better them, whereas Purdue misses Iowa, Northwestern misses Ohio State, Illinois misses out on Iowa AND Wisconsin.

That means Michigan really can't afford to take an upset, the problem being that they have to go on the road to both of the 2 games they have left against teams that I rate below them (Purdue and Penn State). Maybe they can spring an upset in one of their 2 remaining home games though you never know. Penn State and Illinois become tricky games because of the freshmen quarterbacks..you don't want to get caught being too conservative against Michigan and end up stopping your own offense. I thought Iowa was guilty of this at times late in the game the other weekend. You have to go MAKE Michigan stop your O, because in most cases they won't be able to. For Penn State and Illinois this means trusting your freshmen quarterbacks to go make some plays.
 
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JBaney45;1799974; said:
Indiana is one thing, but they haven't PLAYED Purdue yet this season.

Purdue and Minny imo = worse then last seasons counterparts, no playmakers, no real signs of being able to compete from either one of these teams. Remember that Purdue team that beat Michigan last year also beat us and almost beat Oregon. They were inconsistent but they showed some fight at times, this years team doesn't really show any of that.

Right now we don't really know how Michigan stacks up against the middle of the pack teams in the Big Ten. They showed they were able to move the ball on Iowa and to a certain extent on Sparty even though they weren't able to turn that into points.

Imo the hierarchy goes like this

The Big 4, tOSU/Wiscy/Iowa/Sparty: The class of the league, I think Ohio State is still the most talented of these teams not to be too much of a homer. I think Sparty could actually be considered the most suspect of these teams even though they were able to knock off Wisconsin.

#5: Illinois, below the big 4, but above the other teams. Zook's recruiting is paying off it appears. They are playing well on the defensive side.

#6 Michigan: Their offense puts them in most games, their defense keeps other teams in every game.

#7 Northwestern: Has the ability to make some plays, not consistent enough.

#8 Penn State: Just dismal this year, freshmen qb, [censored]ty line, young defense.

#9/#10/#11: Purdue/Indiana/Minny: These guys maybe have 3 playmakers on either side of the ball between them.


Now talent and order of finish depends on a lot of different variables. Michigan for instance has to play all 5 of the teams that are better them, whereas Purdue misses Iowa, Northwestern misses Ohio State, Illinois misses out on Iowa AND Wisconsin.

That means Michigan really can't afford to take an upset, the problem being that they have to go on the road to both of the 2 games they have left against teams that I rate below them (Purdue and Penn State). Maybe they can spring an upset in one of their 2 remaining home games though you never know. Penn State and Illinois become tricky games because of the freshmen quarterbacks..you don't want to get caught being too conservative against Michigan and end up stopping your own offense. I thought Iowa was guilty of this at times late in the game the other weekend. You have to go MAKE Michigan stop your O, because in most cases they won't be able to. For Penn State and Illinois this means trusting your freshmen quarterbacks to go make some plays.
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I would put Michigan #7. Northwestern is better than Michigan at the moment. We will see if Michigan is better than Penn St. or Purdue in the next few weeks.
 
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JBaney45;1799974; said:
Indiana is one thing, but they haven't PLAYED Purdue yet this season.
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Maybe its just me but if you lose to the same team two years running winning the third one doesn't clearly move you out of their weight class. Especially when you are talking bottom feeders. I don't really care to power rank the likes of Purdue, IU, tsun, Minny because its just all slop. The tallest midget is still short.

My point is that given the body of work under RR, tsun is clearly in that group. If they are the more polished turd on occasion then I guess every cripple fight has to have a winner. Take away the name and scUM isn't a top 25 team, they are just in that ever changing nebulous of bottom feeding B10 teams. When they play another bad team its a coin flip, when they play a good team it gets ugly.

PSU and Purdue look awful this year, I'm not going to argue that but tsun has in no way shape or form established themselves to be a clear favorite over any B10 team imo.
 
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Jaxbuck;1799864; said:
Hold your index finger and thumb apart about half an inch. That's how much better your team is than Indiana.

There is no such thing as a "should win" game when your team is only a shade better than IU and has only managed 4 B10 wins in 2 1/2 seasons.
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did u see where i said I "think?" i didnt say "should"
 
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Jaxbuck;1800014; said:
Maybe its just me but if you lose to the same team two years running winning the third one doesn't clearly move you out of their weight class. Especially when you are talking bottom feeders. I don't really care to power rank the likes of Purdue, IU, tsun, Minny because its just all slop. The tallest midget is still short.

My point is that given the body of work under RR, tsun is clearly in that group. If they are the more polished turd on occasion then I guess every cripple fight has to have a winner. Take away the name and scUM isn't a top 25 team, they are just in that ever changing nebulous of bottom feeding B10 teams. When they play another bad team its a coin flip, when they play a good team it gets ugly.

PSU and Purdue look awful this year, I'm not going to argue that but tsun has in no way shape or form established themselves to be a clear favorite over any B10 team imo.
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C'mon, Jax, you've insulted both midgets and cripples in this post.

I'm not being politically correct. I'm saying that comparing them to TSUN is just fucking insulting.
 
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Jaxbuck;1800014; said:
Maybe its just me but if you lose to the same team two years running winning the third one doesn't clearly move you out of their weight class. Especially when you are talking bottom feeders. I don't really care to power rank the likes of Purdue, IU, tsun, Minny because its just all slop. The tallest midget is still short.

My point is that given the body of work under RR, tsun is clearly in that group. If they are the more polished turd on occasion then I guess every cripple fight has to have a winner. Take away the name and scUM isn't a top 25 team, they are just in that ever changing nebulous of bottom feeding B10 teams. When they play another bad team its a coin flip, when they play a good team it gets ugly.

PSU and Purdue look awful this year, I'm not going to argue that but tsun has in no way shape or form established themselves to be a clear favorite over any B10 team imo.
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Over the Rich Rod era, no they haven't been better then Purdue.

What's going on this season is what's relevant though to ranking the teams this season. It's a bit of an eye ball test at this point obviously.

It wouldn't shock me to see them go winless the rest of the way, it also wouldn't shock me to see them win another 3 games
 
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http://mgoblog.com/content/psu-injury-report-position-switchapalooza
  • Marvin Robinson to linebacker. I have a source who tipped me off about this a few days ago, so that's for real. Robinson's likely to compete at WLB for the job Mouton vacates after the year.
  • Will Campbell(OG) and Quinton Washington(DT) are sticking at their new positions. Since these moves had already been confirmed, that's legit, too. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but there's some insider hype about Washington being a "beast" on Rivals. So we've got that going for us. Not likely to impact anything until next year unless Washington is a miraculously fast learner.
  • Cam Gordon to "both safety spots" and Ray Vinopal to "deep safety". Since Vinopal is already a free safety this position switch is more a depth chart thing. There have been rumors floating around about Vinopal playing with the ones and either starting (fanciful) or getting real playing time (apparently likely) on Saturday. These are confirmed now; the source also dropped that Vinopal was getting a serious look at deep safety. The Cam Gordon bit there presages a move closer to the LOS, whether it's spur or bandit, eventually. (ATTENTION BYRON MOORE: duuuude. Seriously.)
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If there's one thing UM needs, it's more undersized, freshmen defenders with average speed. Vinopal is a tough, smart football player, but he's a guy you want to redshirt, bolster special teams for 2-3 years, and then push for time on the defense.
 
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