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OUatl;1648522; said:
i think they land henderson and moses...james to me is the one i am not sure on
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i think they land henderson and moses...james to me is the one i am not sure on
I don't see much of a reason to move Linsley regardless if we get Moses and/or Hendeson. With Boren and Browning leaving in a year, we're gonna need some bodies at the interior when they leave, he would be pretty experienced by then. We have 2 DL so far in the 2011 class, and our depth is looking pretty solid there. We have Hankins coming in, and Baldwin or Moore can put on some pounds and possibly play inside. We need more depth on the O line, IMO than on the D line.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
Helwagen is not just "technically wrong," he's absolutely wrong. There's no rule regarding "preferred walk-ons." The rule you cite has only to do with whether an athlete who is on scholastic aid must be counted against the 85-man limit. Entirely unrelated issue, and a bit complicated at that.NavyBuck;1646737; said:
Bottom line: "preferred walk-ons" have no different status from a scholarship perspective from any other walk-ons.
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DontHateOState
Hall of Fame
OUatl;1648522; said:
You are clueless. The number one player in high school has every single school worth a darn going at him hard. This isn't a mediocre talent from Ohio. You are going against the best salesmen in the world here.
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DiamondBuck
Football is 100% physical, 100% mental.
OUatl;1648522; said:
Would you care to provide a rationale concerning your remarks?
1) SH is not an Ohioan
2) SH is not a legacy
What are the so many factors that lead him to tOSU? We all agree tOSU has great tradition, a "family atmosphere" and coaching stability.
As great as we fans feel about the state of our program, coaching stability might be the only that is clearly superior to the other schools that are seriously in contention. And, obviously, for many recruits USC and UF are currently more glamorous.
So, how would SH's choice to go elsewhere be construed as a poor job by our staff?
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OUatl
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all i'm saying is with all the coaching changes, USC investigation, flip flopping by UM. I figure we should win this battle. We have the most stability, coach with good Christian values, a coach with the ability to teach kids how to grow as men, a coach that WILL get him to the league, and give him a chance to win a title. If i was a player with his ability this is what i would look for, but to each their own. I guess im a homer and fell like its an easy decision for him, BUT im not in his shows. SO i have no clue what he is thinking. so i feel all these factors should lead us to land him, but if not the coaches im sure busted their butt to get this kid here. jmho
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southcampus
Go Bucks
OUatl;1648669; said:
One thing is sure in recruiting: Nothing is sure. Some instate kids can at time be referred to as "locks" but not #1 recruits from out of state.
That said, I think we are in a good of a position with Henderson right now as anybody. Probably better than anybody right now.
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You're assuming recruiting is logical. That's a very poor assumption, it's usually quite the opposite.
You're a diehard fan of one program, which distorts your (and my) perspective on what I'd think in their shoes. How many kids grew up Michigan or OSU fans and went to the opposite? Quite a few. Kids don't look at schools the same way we do. Not to mention he's a kid getting all kinds of sunshine blown at him, trying to pick which of the lofty recruiting pitches is the right one.
Florida's recruiting went through the roof after their coach retired and then proved his word was worth nothing as he repeatedly hedged on that declaration and dedication to God, family, etc. Recruiting is rarely as simple as what fans think it should be.
So when we lose, it proves they sucked at recruiting Seantrel, but if they win, you'll praise them? Neat. Their approach is the same when they land kids and when they do not.
One thing's perfectly clear, OSU doesn't have a prayer of consistently out-sizzling USC, UF, etc, at least not most of the time when their coaches aren't leaving. Their approach gives them a unique pitch different from all schools, trying to be flashy and recruit kids to a cold, snowy campus and no hollywood nearby is a losing strategy. You might win one here or there, but you simply don't stack up with the sizzle of those schools' surroundings, weather, etc. Not to mention Jim Tressel would be pretty unconvincing trying to use the swagger garbage from FSU or other approaches in recruit worship tactics.
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Some people should not follow recruiting. You are one of them.OUatl;1648522; said:
SORRY you feel the need to spout off negativity on a message board when you clearly have no clue how recruiting works.OUatl;1648633; said:
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NavyBuck
Beer Guzzling Buckeye Fan
MaxBuck;1648591; said:
Look, I tried to distill down the issue into the essential point. Helwagon never said anything about a "preferred walk-on" nor does the NCAA as you properly note. However, a recruited student athlete is a different story entirely. Any recruit who makes an official visit is a recruited SA. And any recruited SA who receives institutional financial aid (and the NCAA has a pretty large net when it comes to the institutional financial aid basket) is subject to the rule I referenced. Your post which prompted mine is, verbatim:
It appeared to me then - as now - that the point you were challenging was the effect of an official visit, not of being a preferred walk-on, which you do not mention at all. I did not address preferred walk-on status because it is ancillary to the point being discussed, which was what happens when a recruited walk-on appears in a game. Few college students attend without some sort of financial aid these days, which is why the rule I discussed is relevant
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
Really, Navy, all I was challenging was Helwagen's know-nothing comment: "By having Thoma make an official visit, Ohio State, by rule, must put him on scholarship the moment he plays in his first two years on campus." He had no idea what he was talking about. Period. Not trying to argue with you; just wish the Wagon Man would do better research before spouting off with this stuff. Official visits really only affect status of players who are on academic scholarship who fail to satisfy a GPA threshold.NavyBuck;1648731; said:
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