2010 Heisman Trophy Discussion

[BrutusBobcat]

Most Heisman winners have had a statement game or games late in the season against highly ranked opponents. Statistical freaks on mediocre teams often make noise early on, but it's the big stage that gets attention from the voters. DreadRob's big stage is in Columbus, and his team is going to get hammered. Plus, he's going to be head-to-head with perhaps the other major contender, which raises the stakes of that game tremendously.

The schedule in November favors Pryor making a run, though the weather doesn't. Ingram gets an extra game due to the SEC CCG, which helps him, presuming that his production picks up after the time he's lost. The guy I can't see winning it is Moore. He has already gotten the bulk of his national tv exposure and hype that he's going to get, and is bound to fall out of the conversation as other contenders are beating top ten teams while he's racking up stats against the Utah State School of Cosmetology Fighting Hairdressers.

Personally, I think this is going to be a Pryor/Ingram race in the second half of the season, with Cam Newton as a dark horse conditional on Auburn beating Bama. Those are the guys who will make the big time plays in big games, and that's what wins the JWH.

 

[muffler dragon]

Which is fine. Because one thing has nothing at all to do with the other.

(I know, you are just sayin' )

Correct on both accounts. I just don't have that much regard for the Heisman.

 

[WolverineMike]

I don't know about that. Use him like a Randel El or Joshua Cribbs. He could have a fine pro career...

i meant as a qb, my bad

 

[kolOhioState88]

it's narddogs to lose. though the schedule looks brutal from here on out. if he can get this team to 10-2 a say he deserves it if he keeps the stats up

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Insert Desmond Howard pic and stupid comment from wolverinemike here/

What Desmond Howard pic? If you're talking about his Heisman pose in the endzone, that was at the Pig House, not The Shoe...

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

What Desmond Howard pic? If you're talking about his Heisman pose in the endzone, that was at the Pig House, not The Shoe...

The only TSUN player to win the trophy in the same year that he played in The 'Shoe was Tom Harmon.

Other non-OSU players to have played in The 'Shoe in their Trophy Year:

Alan Ameche 1954 Wisconsin
Ron Dayne 1999 Wisconsin
/List
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[zwem]

The only TSUN player to win the trophy in the same year that he played in The 'Shoe was Tom Harmon.

I bel that was the year the OSU crowd gave Harmon a standing ovation. I don't think that will happen again for either school any time soon.

 

[HuskerFromOhio]

Most Heisman winners have had a statement game or games late in the season against highly ranked opponents. Statistical freaks on mediocre teams often make noise early on, but it's the big stage that gets attention from the voters. DreadRob's big stage is in Columbus, and his team is going to get hammered. Plus, he's going to be head-to-head with perhaps the other major contender, which raises the stakes of that game tremendously.

The schedule in November favors Pryor making a run, though the weather doesn't. Ingram gets an extra game due to the SEC CCG, which helps him, presuming that his production picks up after the time he's lost. The guy I can't see winning it is Moore. He has already gotten the bulk of his national tv exposure and hype that he's going to get, and is bound to fall out of the conversation as other contenders are beating top ten teams while he's racking up stats against the Utah State School of Cosmetology Fighting Hairdressers.

Personally, I think this is going to be a Pryor/Ingram race in the second half of the season, with Cam Newton as a dark horse conditional on Auburn beating Bama. Those are the guys who will make the big time plays in big games, and that's what wins the JWH.

You are out of your mind if you don't think Denard Robinson will in the race the 2nd half of the season. Ingram is already out of it.

The top 5 will be

Taylor Martinez
Terrelle Pryor
Demarco Murray
Kellen Moore
Denard Robinson

and barring injury Robinson is a 100% lock to win it even if Michigan losses 4-5 games.

 

[jwinslow]

and barring injury Robinson is a 100% lock to win it even if Michigan losses 4-5 games.

How about we wait until he plays a few defenses first. He's been sensational, but he's been playing an atrocious lineup. If he keeps it up, he will run away with it.

 

[HuskerFromOhio]

How about we wait until he plays a few defenses first. He's been sensational, but he's been playing an atrocious lineup. If he keeps it up, he will run away with it.

He is averaging 200 passing yards a game and 180 rushing yards. Even if say his #s drop to 150 passing yards and 130 rushing yards thats 100 yards he will have had one of the best seasons ever for a quarterback. 2000 passing yards 1800 rushing yards and close to 20/20 tds.

He is a lock if he doesn't get hurt

 

[jwinslow]

He is a lock if he doesn't get hurt

Declaring someone a lock based on playing 5 mediocre to horrendous defenses is the epitome of hyperbole.

Even if say his #s drop to 150 passing yards and 130 rushing yards

Those aren't heisman numbers. Those are solid but not great dual threat type numbers.

If he struggles in 1-2 high profile games, he can easily be passed in the heisman race. Bad games linger in the mind of voters. He can't struggle against OSU & Iowa and be a runaway winner.

 

[HuskerFromOhio]

Declaring someone a lock based on playing 5 mediocre to horrendous defenses is the epitome of hyperbole.
Those aren't heisman numbers. Those are solid but not great dual threat type numbers.

If he struggles in 1-2 high profile games, he can easily be passed in the heisman race. Bad games linger in the mind of voters. He can't struggle against OSU & Iowa and be a runaway winner.

There is no reason to think he will be horrible against OSU, Iowa or anybody. Even if he is average the just retardedly great games(every game so far) will more then overcome those 2-3 average games. 2000 passing yards and 1800 rushing yards with close to 20/20 tds aren't heisman/all time division 1 great #s?

 

[jwinslow]

There is no reason to think he will be horrible against OSU, Iowa or anybody

There's plenty of reason to think that the defenses later on his schedule are quite a bit different than the one so far. The stats back that up. Some will slow him down, some will give him more trouble than that.

Even if he is average the just retardedly great games(every game so far) will more then overcome those 2-3 average games.

Since when do lousy opponents trump the most challenging ones?

If the divide is that significant, it will hurt his candidacy that his numbers were inflated against the lesser defenses.

2000 passing yards and 1800 rushing yards with close to 20/20 tds aren't heisman/all time division 1 great #s?

150+130 yd games are not heisman / all time great numbers, particularly not enough to rule out 3-4 team losses or make him untouchable.

Could he win with those numbers if he avoids any lousy games? Sure, but he certainly wouldn't be a lock unless the rest of the league stops playing.

 

[HuskerFromOhio]

There's plenty of reason to think that the defenses later on his schedule are quite a bit different than the one so far. The stats back that up. Some will slow him down, some will give him more trouble than that.
Since when do lousy opponents trump the most challenging ones?

If the divide is that significant, it will hurt his candidacy that his numbers were inflated against the lesser defenses.
150+130 yd games are not heisman / all time great numbers, particularly not enough to rule out 3-4 team losses or make him untouchable.

Could he win with those numbers if he avoids any lousy games? Sure, but he certainly wouldn't be a lock unless the rest of the league stops playing.

150+130 are heisman/all time great #s when your first 5 games are 200 + 180. You don't understand that with 150/130 he will end up with 2000/1800. I know you are an Ohio State fan and Michigan is your rivals and it sucks conceding that one of there players is that great especially when you have a better team but he is that great.

 

[Tlangs]

150+130 are heisman/all time great #s when your first 5 games are 200 + 180. You don't understand that with 150/130 he will end up with 2000/1800. I know you are an Ohio State fan and Michigan is your rivals and it sucks conceding that one of there players is that great especially when you have a better team but he is that great.

His team has to beat at least one good team....no matter what his numbers are.