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2010 Heisman Trophy Discussion

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WolverineMike;1787822; said:
his numbers are awesome, but I think i'm in the crowd of let's see what happens over the next three weeks. Perform at high level vs msu and iowa and I think that will be a good indicator of how good he really is.
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agreed...

he is "on pace" for
2419 passing yards and 17 tds.
2207 rushing yards and 19 tds.

If he hits that, he wins the Hesiman running away...assuming TP doesn't go on a run of 300 yard passing multi td games and goes undefeated and beats Michigan by 2 tds or more.



in comparison to the last non MVP on an undefeated team to win the Heisman (Football Jesus)

3300 yds 32 td's passing
895 yds 23 td's rushing

DR would have about 500 more yards but 19 fewer touchdowns. I really think DR needs to join the 20/20 club to get it. 19/17 just doesn't sound as good. It's all about the Touchdowns, chicks dig the touchdowns.


I just don't think he can keep up the same pace against the upcoming schedule.
 
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muffler dragon;1787864; said:
How many Heisman winners have you seen recently with 4-5 losses in one season? :crack smoking:
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Blasphemer. Tebow have mercy on your soul.

EDIT - I concede that the Gators, hallowed be their name, only had 3 losses when the trophy was awarded.
 
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Let's not annoint DRob just yet. After all:

FACT: The Heisman (Trophy) has laced cleats.

heisman-trophy-tebow-bradford-mccoy.jpg
 
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OHSportsFan9;1787877; said:
A couple pick-6's (and he WILL have to throw the ball eventually) and his Heisman hopes diminish rather quickly.
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His chances will also be diminished when he gets injured just like Rich Rod's other favorite QB to run into the ground, Pat White.
 
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WolverineMike;1787822; said:
his numbers are awesome, but I think i'm in the crowd of let's see what happens over the next three weeks. Perform at high level vs msu and iowa and I think that will be a good indicator of how good he really is.
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Exactly. It's not that I don't believe he can do it, just that all of his accomplishments so far are hype and build-up to the meat and potatoes of his heisman run (particularly against Wisky, PSU, Iowa & OSU. MSU is just alright defensively)
 
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HuskerFromOhio;1787804; said:
150+130 are heisman/all time great #s when your first 5 games are 200 + 180.
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Denard put up:

200/200
250/250
240/100
280/220

BG is an outlier, he only played 2 series + 1 play. He was averaging 63 yds per series :yow1:

150/130 is a huge dropoff in production from the numbers he is putting up, and would rightly point to the level of competition as the catalyst for his inflated statistics.

He is putting up 250 yards a game in just one half of his statistics, yet you want to call him a lock if his numbers sink to 280 yds combined.
You don't understand that with 150/130 he will end up with 2000/1800.
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:lol: Yes, I don't understand what you typed, and the statistics that I tallied up (at a 75% rate going forward). Nice one
I know you are an Ohio State fan and Michigan is your rivals and it sucks conceding that one of there players is that great especially when you have a better team but he is that great.
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That has nothing to do with it. If Pryor was dominating against Toledo, Akron, E Mich, Ohio & Indiana, folks would talk about his heisman hopes but would definitely point to the upcoming defenses as a better test for his skills & candidacy.

Denard puts up crazy numbers for 3 unique reasons:

1. He is a rare talent
2. For some bizarre reason, UM struggles to get consistent RB play opposite him in the read option.
3. His dominance is paired with such horrible help that he doesn't get to sub out during blowouts or milk the clock with handoffs.
 
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NFBuck;1786483; said:
Yeah, against this murderers row:
Rush defense:
UConn- 77 rush / 31 pass
NoD- 68 rush / 96 pass
Umass- FCS; 41 rush / 28 pass
BGSU- 116 rush / 105 pass
Indiana- 108 rush / 47 pass

Like I've said, what denard has done has been remarkable, but we won't know who he really is for another couple of weeks. That is an incredible lineup of tomato cans to begin the season.
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This got me thinking......
Is the reason that these teams have (statistically) terrible defenses BECAUSE they played against Michigan?

I pulled this data out our yahoo sports:
Team Defensive Stats (including the Michigan game):
Connecticut || games: 6 || PY=1248 RY=897 || PY/g RANK= 64 || RY/g RANK=63
Notre Dame || games: 5 || PY=1241 RY=764 || PY/g RANK= 96 || RY/g RANK=70
Indiana || games: 4 || PY=1152 RY=447 || PY/g RANK= 45 || RY/g RANK=107
Bowling Green || games: 5 || PY=1311 RY=1248 || PY/g RANK= 105 || RY/g RANK=116
At first glance, yes, a bunch of tomato cans...................

Team Defensive Stats (excluding the Mxxxxxxx game):
Connecticut || games: 5 || PY=1062 RY=610 || PY/g RANK= 67 || RY/g RANK=39
Notre Dame || games: 4 || PY=997 RY=476 || PY/g RANK= 97 || RY/g RANK=35
Indiana || games: 3 || PY=672 RY=348 || PY/g RANK= 76 || RY/g RANK=31
Bowling Green || games: 4 || PY=1056 RY=782 || PY/g RANK= 105 || RY/g RANK=103
At 2nd glance, still.........a bunch of tomato cans.


Here is a side note:
Michigan State has these rankings: PY/g RANK= 78 || RY/g RANK=20 (not exactly stellar). Defensively, that puts them, currently, into the middle of the Big 10 pack

FYI - the rest of the Big 10
Ohio St. || PY/g RANK=18 || RY/g RANK=7
Iowa || PY/g RANK=35 || RY/g RANK=2
Penn St. || PY/g RANK=25 || RY/g RANK=33
Wisconsin || PY/g RANK=45 || RY/g RANK=26
Illinois || PY/g RANK=49 || RY/g RANK=46
Indiana || PY/g RANK=76 || RY/g RANK=31 (without the Michigan game)
Purdue || PY/g RANK=56 || RY/g RANK=63
Northwestern || PY/g RANK=98 || RY/g RANK=40
Minnesota || PY/g RANK=74 || RY/g RANK=97
Michigan || PY/g RANK=120 || RY/g RANK=41
 
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HuskerFromOhio;1787796; said:
He is averaging 200 passing yards a game and 180 rushing yards. Even if say his #s drop to 150 passing yards and 130 rushing yards thats 100 yards he will have had one of the best seasons ever for a quarterback. 2000 passing yards 1800 rushing yards and close to 20/20 tds.

He is a lock if he doesn't get hurt
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And that's why this hyperbole was absurd.

Robinson had 220/85 today, and the story would be the same if it were 220/130.

Also, he has a great chance to average 150/130 in this game and the rest, particularly with some of the defenses coming up.
 
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