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NFBuck;1614767; said:
"A Carr guy", "too big and slow for LB", "zero upside", could have "eventually turned into a contributor", etc.
Interesting bit about him being worried about APR sanctions from the attrition they've had since Dick Rod took over.
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Michigan Recruiting Classes- Transfers/Dismissed
2008- Cissoko, O'Neill, Brandon Smith, Taylor Hill, Sam McGuffie, Marcus Witherspoon, Justin Feagin, Kurt Wermers. (8 out of 24 players that year)
2007- Ryan Mallet, Toney Clemons, Zion Babb, Artis Chambers, Avery Horn, Marell Evans, Vince Hellmuth. (7 out of 20 players)
2006- Justin Boren, Jason Kates, Cobrani Mixon, Quintin Patilla, Quintin Woods, (5 out of 19)
2005 class had a lot of busts, some transfers, and some injuries that hampered some good players. Antonio Bass could have been a special player and had All American potential. He would have been a perfect fit to run the spread.
From the 2006-2008 classes there were 20 transfers/dismissed players out of 63 players. Defense doesn't have many bodies and we have a few walk ons as starters or backups. It would be nice to keep a few players, but hey what do I know. Can't blame them for wanting to go somewhere else and win.
2008- Cissoko, O'Neill, Brandon Smith, Taylor Hill, Sam McGuffie, Marcus Witherspoon, Justin Feagin, Kurt Wermers. (8 out of 24 players that year)
2007- Ryan Mallet, Toney Clemons, Zion Babb, Artis Chambers, Avery Horn, Marell Evans, Vince Hellmuth. (7 out of 20 players)
2006- Justin Boren, Jason Kates, Cobrani Mixon, Quintin Patilla, Quintin Woods, (5 out of 19)
2005 class had a lot of busts, some transfers, and some injuries that hampered some good players. Antonio Bass could have been a special player and had All American potential. He would have been a perfect fit to run the spread.
From the 2006-2008 classes there were 20 transfers/dismissed players out of 63 players. Defense doesn't have many bodies and we have a few walk ons as starters or backups. It would be nice to keep a few players, but hey what do I know. Can't blame them for wanting to go somewhere else and win.
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HINYG8
You never come back from Copperhead Road
zwem;1616609; said:
Zwem...I am sure that was painful for you to share. That is some startling information right there.
And I just have to ask you: As a UM fan do you see something happening in the program that makes you think everything is heading the right way?
As an outsider I can't help but wonder if there is a plan...a direction. It looks so chaotic..I just think RR is in over his head and doesn't know what to do next.
I don't see any development or direction that indicates he is working toward turning the corner. Instead things appear to be regressing.
Am I being hasty when I say I think it is clear the RR hire has been a disaster for both Rich and UM?
The D, as bad as it was...looks to be even worse next year..and I just don't see the influx of recruiting talent needed to make it better. There is a hole that looks to be about 3 years big on defense...and it will take several strong classes to fix it..and I don't think the next incoming class helps much...nor do I see an emphasis from the staff on bringing in big time defensive players.
The O still looks unsettled and lost to me. No established QB and you will be losing some quality talent at RB. It is clear to me now that RR is a one trick pony..with no idea how to adapt or modify his system to suit the talent..and I don't see the necessary talent...nor do I think that one trick is as impressive as it was 5 years ago.
If you were the AD...what would you do?
Would you give him another year? If so..what does he need to do in 2010 to keep his job? Would you be putting feelers out NOW to selected HC candidates to see if there is any interest..and if there was..would you pull the trigger and change horses? What if Harbaugh, Kellly, or Urban..or what ever HC looks good to you... said they would take the job right now?
UM just looks like a cat trapped in a cardboard box right now with no idea how to get out. If you disagree please educate me about what I am not seeing/perceiving.
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Not technically a transfer, but wouldn't Marquis Maze look good in a Michigan uniform right now? Was an early commitment for Michigan in the class of 2007, then he started looking around a bit and Carr dropped him. This season, he had 25 receptions for 423 yards (16.9 average) and 2 TD's for the run-dominated Alabama offense. At 5' 10", 180 lbs, with excellent quickness, he could've been perfect in RichRod's spread.zwem;1616609; said:
Then again, he might have transferred out by now anyway....
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LordJeffBuck;1616649; said:Then again, he might have transferred out by now anyway....
I was just going to write that until I read it
WR recruiting is going to be tough for UM to do nowadays, at least with the top flight guys. Michigan is going to have to prove that they can truly showcase their wide receivers for any of the big time recruits to think about going there.
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The number of players on those lists are cause for concern. But if you sort the 25 man class from 2008 by Scout's national ranking, that is UMs #1, #2, #4, #6 and #10 recruits. For 2007 it includes their #1, #3 and #7.
And don't forget the commits who didn't sign.
And don't forget the commits who didn't sign.
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dallasbuck
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I want michigan to be good all year and then beat them. I think the best chance to have a dominant team again (most quickly and consistantly) is to hire Harbaugh.
Regardless of my opinion the real question is;do michigan fans want RR to "succeed" next year? What if they go 8-4 or 9-3 and look decent i get the feeling there may be a lot of disapointment and the "now what" haze. You are still stuck with a guy who has lost 20 players to transfers and has the first major NCAA investigation in football, rips on players, is whiny, and is on the boarder of blaming players for losses...
The only way this is resolved next year is if they go 5-7 or 11-1. I don't think 2 years is enough to assess on field potential but it is plenty long enough to judge wether this is the person you want running the program.
Regardless of my opinion the real question is;do michigan fans want RR to "succeed" next year? What if they go 8-4 or 9-3 and look decent i get the feeling there may be a lot of disapointment and the "now what" haze. You are still stuck with a guy who has lost 20 players to transfers and has the first major NCAA investigation in football, rips on players, is whiny, and is on the boarder of blaming players for losses...
The only way this is resolved next year is if they go 5-7 or 11-1. I don't think 2 years is enough to assess on field potential but it is plenty long enough to judge wether this is the person you want running the program.
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Redhawk;1621531; said:
Number 1 rule of marketing is wait until the Crab Bowl to assure a big audience.
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Richard Ash has committed to UM, switching his verbal from WVU.
1. Do they ever stop raiding that school?
2. Ash claimed offers from USC, Tenn, LSU... but only visited WVU, UM, UCLA.
1. Do they ever stop raiding that school?
2. Ash claimed offers from USC, Tenn, LSU... but only visited WVU, UM, UCLA.
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brutus2002
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Dang WVU cannot catch a break from Michigan...at least WVU is going bowling.
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