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2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

zwem;1391934; said:
Well time will tell. Some players just do better at the NFL than college. Steve Breaston has shocked me at what he has done at the NFL. I thought he underachieved at Michigan even though he has all the kick/punt return records. He has played well for Arizona to my surprise.

Well the Buckeyes get alot of interest from the top qbs in the country. When is the last time an OSU qb did anything in the nfl after having a good career for OSU. It still doesn't stop great hs qbs looking at OSU.

The system has alaways been an NFL system. While Joe Germaine and Bobby Hoying didn't pan out in the NFL, they still ran an NFL system.

Move on to Troy Smith and you have a QB that developed into an NFL QB. Who knows if he ever has success at that level, but he was prepared to play football at the next level.

You can't say that about Pat White. And Rich Rodriguez has only turned out 5 or so offensive players for the NFL in his entire CAREER. While Steve Breaston didn't light the college world up statiscally, he at least learned the basics of playing in an NFL type system. If Stokes goes to UM, it's like a double-negative come draft day. A guy who didn't put up huge numbers, and a player that hasn't learned basic techniques and route-running at a high level.
 
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Welcome to AJC! | ajc.com
UGA considers chasing one of Tennessee’s WR commitments

By Michael Carvell | Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:30 AM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


UGA, after being jilted by two prospects at wide receiver within a 48-hour span, may have found another candidate at the position: Philadelphia’s Je’Ron Stokes, who is committed to Tennessee.
Stokes told the AJC that he talked with UGA wide receivers coach Tony Ball on late Tuesday night about making a last-minute trip to Athens this weekend. Stokes is ranked as the nation’s No. 104 overall prospect by Rivals.
“He [Ball] said he loved my film, and that he definitely wanted bring me in on an official visit,” Stokes said. “He said he had to talk with [UGA offensive coordinator Mike Bobo] to see exactly what’s going on, and he would let me know something for sure by [Wednesday].”
If Georgia invited Stokes for a visit, would he accept? “Yes, I think would do that.”
If Georgia offered a scholarship to Stokes, would he accept it? “I would go there and check things out. And then I would pray about it and see where God leads me.”


... Cont'd
 
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Scout.com: National Recruiting Notebook
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Michigan stands out as a school that always recruits well. From the mid-1990s, the Wolverines have signed only one class not ranked in the top 10 by SuperPrep magazine. That was in 2000, when Lloyd Carr signed a No. 13 group. Notwithstanding that class, since 1995 the folks in Ann Arbor have reeled in signing efforts ranked exactly at 6.6 according to SuperPrep. For consistency and downright excellence, that?s really tough to beat. In fact, nobody beats it.
During the same 14-year period (long enough to cover lots of ups and downs), these are SuperPrep?s average yearly recruiting rankings for the 35 following teams:

You won?t find Utah or Boise State listed. The Utes and the Broncos rarely sign top-50 classes, yet Utah finished No. 2 in this year?s final AP poll and Boise State slotted in at No. 11. There?s always that argument about the importance of coaching versus talent. Regardless of which side of the fence you come down on there, we know that since the coaches do the signing, and then the developing, coaches come at a very high premium.

When Michigan bought out Rich Rodriguez?s contract last season, they didn?t envision that premium to include a three-win season with blowout losses thrown in for good measure. It?s doubtful Rodriguez saw anything that disastrous as well. But his first signing effort in 2008, No. 6 according to Scout.com, lacked the player Rodriguez needed by far the most: quarterback Terrelle Pryor, who twisted the sword in deeper by choosing the Buckeyes. Talk about a swing-vote player. Without Pryor and in view of Michigan?s dire signal-caller situation, that class really didn?t deserve a top-10 slot. No way.

Ol? Blue typically recruits hard nationally and often doesn?t rely on Midwest talent to be the backbone of its roster. Rodriguez?s first class contained signees from Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey, South Carolina and Texas. This year, in a class currently tabbed by Scout.com at No. 17, he?s again branched out to Colorado, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arizona, Florida, New Jersey and California.

With that QB problem in mind, Rodriguez already has a commitment from Tate Forcier, a four-star talent from San Diego who can run and throw. Some might consider it a bad sign that neither of Tate?s older brothers have shown they have what it takes to be the main man. Jason Forcier signed with Michigan in ?05, only to transfer to Stanford, stuck behind Tavita Pritchard. Chris Forcier signed with UCLA in ?07 and doesn?t yet come up in conversations as the future for the Bruins.

Rodriguez is also hot after four-star Florida QB Denard Robinson, who visions himself as the next Pat White. Robinson is also considering Kansas State, Florida, Georgia and UCF. The 10.7 100m speedster out of Deerfield Beach can always help out at corner or wide receiver if he doesn?t work out offensively. That kind of versatility is a great bonus nowadays. He wants to play early, so Tim Tebow and Florida might slow down Robinson more than he likes.

In any case, it looks like a signing day announcement for Robinson, with Kansas State the major competition for Michigan here. Teammate/defensive back Adrian Witty is supposedly a package deal and both visited Ann Arbor on Jan. 9. Deerfield Beach coach Art Taylor gives the Wolverines the slight edge but you never want to count out Bill Snyder and the magic he works for Kansas State in these situations. South Carolina defensive end Sam Montgomery is another big target of Rodriquez?s. Montgomery had a fantastic Jan. 9 trip to Michigan, giving both LSU and Tennessee a lot to worry about. He visited LSU last weekend and takes in Tennessee the final weekend before LOI Day. Working against Rodriguez here is the fact he already has commitments from two fantastic defensive ends: Arizona?s Craig Roh and Anthony LaLota from New Jersey.

Michigan is also ahead of the game with a couple of fine offensive tackle commitments in Taylor Lewan, another impressive raw talent from Arizona, and Michael Schofield, an early June pledge from Illinois. Schofield?s stock has really moved up in the postseason. Rodriguez is also hoping to sign South Carolina 315-pounder Quinton Washington, who visited Ann Arbor during the season. With a final trip set for Miami, Washington is also considering Clemson, Tennessee and South Carolina.
 
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A fluff piece on Michigan recruiting? From the national recruiting gurus? Who woulda thunk it....? :roll1:

Notwithstanding that class, since 1995 the folks in Ann Arbor have reeled in signing efforts ranked exactly at 6.6 according to SuperPrep. For consistency and downright excellence, that's really tough to beat. In fact, nobody beats it.
So with all of that "consistency and downright excellence" stockpiled in Ann Arbor, which of the following teams could the Wolverines actually beat on the field? Washington? Anybody else?
Alabama 19.7
Arizona State 30.8
Arkansas 33.1
Auburn 21.0
Boston College 31.4
BYU 47.8
California 32.2
Clemson 20.6
Colorado 28.4
Florida 8.0
Florida State 8.0
Georgia 15.8
Georgia Tech 31.6
Illinois 32.6
Iowa 36.6
LSU 11.7
North Carolina 24.1
Notre Dame 11.3
Miami 11.4
Missouri 40.6
Nebraska 17.0
Ohio State 10.4
Oklahoma 16.8
Oregon 30.6
Penn State 15.3
Pittsburgh 36.0
South Carolina 23.6
Tennessee 12.1
Texas 9.1
Texas A&M 21.9
UCLA 19.6
USC 8.1
Virginia Tech 28.1
Washington 26.3
Wisconsin 33.3​
But Michigan fans will undoubtedly continue to crow about their top-10 recruiting classes just like they brag about all of the national championships that they won back in the dark ages of college football.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1393034; said:
A fluff piece on Michigan recruiting? From the national recruiting gurus? Who woulda thunk it....? :roll1:

So with all of that "consistency and downright excellence" stockpiled in Ann Arbor, which of the following teams could the Wolverines actually beat on the field? Washington? Anybody else?

I thought that article might get a response :wink2:
 
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LordJeffBuck;1393034; said:
A fluff piece on Michigan recruiting? From the national recruiting gurus? Who woulda thunk it....? :roll1:


So with all of that "consistency and downright excellence" stockpiled in Ann Arbor, which of the following teams could the Wolverines actually beat on the field? Washington? Anybody else?

I'd give them the nod over Alabama State....

Oh.... wait....

Misread that....
 
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Southeast Recruiting Blog - ESPN
Battle for DE Montgomery heating up
Thursday, January 29, 2009 | Print Entry

Posted by JC Shurburtt
While it's still a situation where anything could happen, several reliable sources have said that the recruitment of Under Armour All-American defensive end Sam Montgomery (Greenwood, S.C./Greenwood) focuses on three programs: North Carolina, LSU and Michigan. Most believe the Tar Heels and Tigers to be the frontrunners. South Carolina, Clemson, Oregon and Tennessee appear to be out, though there is conflicting information out there about Montgomery's scheduled trip to Knoxville this weekend. Should the 6-foot-4, 220-pounder make the visit, then there is a good chance the Vols could wedge their way in there and make things interested come National Signing Day on Wednesday.
Should Montgomery ultimately end up at North Carolina, then it would be the second straight recruiting cycle that Butch Davis and Tar Heels defensive line coach John Blake nabbed one of the top defensive line prospects from the Palmetto State. Last year, the Tar Heels inked Robert Quinn (North Charleston, S.C./Fort Dorchester), turning him from Auburn on Signing Day. Quinn saw significant snaps as a true freshman this year in Chapel Hill.
It would also give the Heels a pair of outstanding pass rushers in Montgomery and Donte Moss (Jacksonville, N.C.).
Another player UM was optimistic about seems to be getting dicey... along with Stokes, Logan, Bond, etc.

The deerfield duo are still out there, though UF & USF are quite optimistic there as well.
 
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Didn't know where to stick this, so I'll put it here, since Tavon was interested in UM but they supposedly never returned the favor. Maybe if he were from the deep south...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBjUKd0lOEE]YouTube - Tavon Austin ( Dunbar High School ) 2008[/ame]

Tavon and Devine in the same backfield isn't very fair.
 
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MSU might have best recruiting class in state

Lemming is impressed with "impact players" Dantonio attracted, but U-M could move ahead.
Mark Dantonio continues to take giant steps at Michigan State.
For the first time in more than 20 years, Michigan State could have a recruiting class betterthan Michigan's.
Tom Lemming of Prep Football Report/CBS Sports said the schools are neck-and-neck for No. 2 behind Ohio State in the Big Ten, and he would have to give a slight nod to the Spartans with less than a week before Wednesday's official signing date.

Entire article: MSU might have best recruiting class in state | detnews.com | The Detroit News
 
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ScriptOhio;1394801; said:
Lemming is impressed with "impact players" Dantonio attracted, but U-M could move ahead.
Mark Dantonio continues to take giant steps at Michigan State.
For the first time in more than 20 years, Michigan State could have a recruiting class betterthan Michigan's.
Tom Lemming of Prep Football Report/CBS Sports said the schools are neck-and-neck for No. 2 behind Ohio State in the Big Ten, and he would have to give a slight nod to the Spartans with less than a week before Wednesday's official signing date.

Entire article: MSU might have best recruiting class in state | detnews.com | The Detroit News
Please tell me you're not taking this as evidence that their class actually is better.
 
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HailToMichigan;1395035; said:
Please tell me you're not taking this as evidence that their class actually is better.


Taking Lemmings rankings at face value is as faulty a bit 'o logic as blindly assuming everything scUM > anything MSU.
 
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