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2009 TSUN arguments, shenanigans (not football)

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zwem;1633919; said:
There a few Michigan fans that didn't really care about the Oregon/Ohio State outcome. My friend and I talked about this and we both agree that it didn't matter who won that game or by how much. I really don't give a damn if Ohio State loses or wins all their games (Of course there is one game that I always want them to lose). Why?........How does this have anything to do with Michigan? True Michigan fans need to get back on focusing on our team and worry less about what Ohio State, ND, etc are doing.

I have always said Michigan needs to hire a defensive minded coach. Nebraska is a damn good example. Their previous coach had that team scoring 40-50 points in some games. The bad news is they were giving up 60+. Pelini comes in and has that team on the rise and they could have easily went 12-1. They lost some heart breakers but that defense as a whole is amazing. That defense should be one of the top defenses in the country next year. Iowa is another example. Not a great offense but a damn good defense with players playing above their potential. They don't have the talent like Ohio St, Penn St, etc but the focus is on the defense and it got them a BCS bowl game and came a hair from winning the big ten.

I think Michigan has at least some decent talent on that team and has players that other top schools in the country wanted......but they just aren't producing. The desire just doesn't seem to be there. The old Michigan defenses in the past used to scare the [censored] out of opposing teams...now it seems teams can't wait to play them. DEFENSE!!!!! Get this [censored]ing coach out of Michigan and hire somebody that puts most of his focus on Defense and Special teams. Get back to a pro style offense so top players around the country can come to Michigan. Michigan has always been known for their receivers and "used" to be one of the best of sending them to the NFL. Get back to the Jake Longs, the Steve Hutchinson, and the David Baas. Michigan didn't need an overhaul. They just needed something fresh and a few minor changes. Michigan can get back to being Michigan, they just need somebody that knows what the [censored] they are doing.
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Can't disagree with anything here...
 
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zwem;1633919; said:
There a few Michigan fans that didn't really care about the Oregon/Ohio State outcome. My friend and I talked about this and we both agree that it didn't matter who won that game or by how much. I really don't give a damn if Ohio State loses or wins all their games (Of course there is one game that I always want them to lose). Why?........How does this have anything to do with Michigan? True Michigan fans need to get back on focusing on our team and worry less about what Ohio State, ND, etc are doing.

I have always said Michigan needs to hire a defensive minded coach. Nebraska is a damn good example. Their previous coach had that team scoring 40-50 points in some games. The bad news is they were giving up 60+. Pelini comes in and has that team on the rise and they could have easily went 12-1. They lost some heart breakers but that defense as a whole is amazing. That defense should be one of the top defenses in the country next year. Iowa is another example. Not a great offense but a damn good defense with players playing above their potential. They don't have the talent like Ohio St, Penn St, etc but the focus is on the defense and it got them a BCS bowl game and came a hair from winning the big ten.

I think Michigan has at least some decent talent on that team and has players that other top schools in the country wanted......but they just aren't producing. The desire just doesn't seem to be there. The old Michigan defenses in the past used to scare the [censored] out of opposing teams...now it seems teams can't wait to play them. DEFENSE!!!!! Get this [censored]ing coach out of Michigan and hire somebody that puts most of his focus on Defense and Special teams. Get back to a pro style offense so top players around the country can come to Michigan. Michigan has always been known for their receivers and "used" to be one of the best of sending them to the NFL. Get back to the Jake Longs, the Steve Hutchinson, and the David Baas. Michigan didn't need an overhaul. They just needed something fresh and a few minor changes. Michigan can get back to being Michigan, they just need somebody that knows what the [censored] they are doing.
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The man's name is Jim Harbaugh and all he is waiting for is a phone call.
 
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zwem;1633919; said:
There a few Michigan fans that didn't really care about the Oregon/Ohio State outcome. My friend and I talked about this and we both agree that it didn't matter who won that game or by how much. I really don't give a damn if Ohio State loses or wins all their games (Of course there is one game that I always want them to lose). Why?........How does this have anything to do with Michigan? True Michigan fans need to get back on focusing on our team and worry less about what Ohio State, ND, etc are doing.

I have always said Michigan needs to hire a defensive minded coach. Nebraska is a damn good example. Their previous coach had that team scoring 40-50 points in some games. The bad news is they were giving up 60+. Pelini comes in and has that team on the rise and they could have easily went 12-1. They lost some heart breakers but that defense as a whole is amazing. That defense should be one of the top defenses in the country next year. Iowa is another example. Not a great offense but a damn good defense with players playing above their potential. They don't have the talent like Ohio St, Penn St, etc but the focus is on the defense and it got them a BCS bowl game and came a hair from winning the big ten.

I think Michigan has at least some decent talent on that team and has players that other top schools in the country wanted......but they just aren't producing. The desire just doesn't seem to be there. The old Michigan defenses in the past used to scare the [censored] out of opposing teams...now it seems teams can't wait to play them. DEFENSE!!!!! Get this [censored]ing coach out of Michigan and hire somebody that puts most of his focus on Defense and Special teams. Get back to a pro style offense so top players around the country can come to Michigan. Michigan has always been known for their receivers and "used" to be one of the best of sending them to the NFL. Get back to the Jake Longs, the Steve Hutchinson, and the David Baas. Michigan didn't need an overhaul. They just needed something fresh and a few minor changes. Michigan can get back to being Michigan, they just need somebody that knows what the [censored] they are doing.
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Great post! The only way the Rose Bowl can be relevant to Michigan fans is that it is the final answer (if any were needed) of how Jim Tressel and the rest of the Big Ten would respond if Rich Rodriguez were ever successful in installing his high-powered, high-scoring offense: keep them off the field, take over the clock, run, run, and convert, etc.

RR was hired in a different college football landscape: the spread seemed on the rise, "speed" was the word of the day, Florida had beat Ohio State in that infamous game, etc.

Not only have DC's by and large caught up to the spread now, but RR has had many more problems at Michigan. Almost everything that could have gone wrong, did.

Let's see how it unfolds next year!
 
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I've posted this thought on here 1000 times, but I keep going back to the fact that RR is recruiting such a specific type of football player that the next guy in is going to need 4 years just to undo the recruiting damage done by this offense.

Man, I never thought I'd see the day.
 
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zwem;1633919; said:
There a few Michigan fans that didn't really care about the Oregon/Ohio State outcome. My friend and I talked about this and we both agree that it didn't matter who won that game or by how much. I really don't give a damn if Ohio State loses or wins all their games (Of course there is one game that I always want them to lose). Why?........How does this have anything to do with Michigan? True Michigan fans need to get back on focusing on our team and worry less about what Ohio State, ND, etc are doing.

I have always said Michigan needs to hire a defensive minded coach. Nebraska is a damn good example. Their previous coach had that team scoring 40-50 points in some games. The bad news is they were giving up 60+. Pelini comes in and has that team on the rise and they could have easily went 12-1. They lost some heart breakers but that defense as a whole is amazing. That defense should be one of the top defenses in the country next year. Iowa is another example. Not a great offense but a damn good defense with players playing above their potential. They don't have the talent like Ohio St, Penn St, etc but the focus is on the defense and it got them a BCS bowl game and came a hair from winning the big ten.

I think Michigan has at least some decent talent on that team and has players that other top schools in the country wanted......but they just aren't producing. The desire just doesn't seem to be there. The old Michigan defenses in the past used to scare the [censored] out of opposing teams...now it seems teams can't wait to play them. DEFENSE!!!!! Get this [censored]ing coach out of Michigan and hire somebody that puts most of his focus on Defense and Special teams. Get back to a pro style offense so top players around the country can come to Michigan. Michigan has always been known for their receivers and "used" to be one of the best of sending them to the NFL. Get back to the Jake Longs, the Steve Hutchinson, and the David Baas. Michigan didn't need an overhaul. They just needed something fresh and a few minor changes. Michigan can get back to being Michigan, they just need somebody that knows what the [censored] they are doing.
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That's a hell of a post.
 
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