2009 TSUN arguments, shenanigans (not football)

[NFBuck]

All in!

 

[CentFlaBuckeye]

I actually kind of feel sorry for Mich....Oh wait...:2004:



:osu:

 

[mbama1]

There are also rumblings that Michigan got its butt kicked 38-13 by the last-place team in the Big Ten today.

Yeah, way to bring up something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand- Cullen Christian........and Purdue. Pot, meet kettle.

If anything, this game probably only solidifies in Christian's mind what the coaches have been telling him- "CC, we need DB's, come to Michigan and you're starting from Day 1" - which is certainly true. The kid isn't being BS'ed or lied to, he can see with his own eyes that he's a starter at safety or CB, especially since Donovan Warren is probably going pro after this year.

 

[SCBuck13]

Yeah, way to bring up something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand- Cullen Christian........and Purdue. Pot, meet kettle.

If anything, this game probably only solidifies in Christian's mind what the coaches have been telling him- "CC, we need DB's, come to Michigan and you're starting from Day 1" - which is certainly true. The kid isn't being BS'ed or lied to, he can see with his own eyes that he's a starter at safety or CB, especially since Donovan Warren is probably going pro after this year.

Ur on an OSU board. Get use to it. OSU fans aren't gonna go outta their way to be nice to even the knowledgeable Michigan fans like yourself.

 

[mbama1]

Ur on an OSU board. Get use to it. OSU fans aren't gonna go outta their way to be nice to even the knowledgeable Michigan fans like yourself.

Nobody said he has to go out of his way to be nice....

But he did go out of his way to flame Michigan in a thread that really isn't about Michigan.

Flaming Michigan in a thread that is about Cullen Christian? I just think that he should probably keep the smack/talk flames in one of the many "DickRod/ScUM" threads found on this site, because he's just asking for this thread to turn into a ticking time-bomb flame-fest which in turn takes away from the main topic of discussion- Cullen Christian and his recruitment.

 

[Mike80]

Yeah, way to bring up something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand- Cullen Christian........and Purdue. Pot, meet kettle.

If anything, this game probably only solidifies in Christian's mind what the coaches have been telling him- "CC, we need DB's, come to Michigan and you're starting from Day 1" - which is certainly true. The kid isn't being BS'ed or lied to, he can see with his own eyes that he's a starter at safety or CB, especially since Donovan Warren is probably going pro after this year.

IT has everything to do with this kid's recruitment.

Kids want playing time sure, but at the level that Cullen is going to compete he wants Big Ten (or whatever conference he goes too) championships and a shot at the MNC every year.

You can't tell me Michigan is going to be anywhere near that in the next 2 years....nor, despite all of the obvious needs for DBs with any type of talent or tackling ability, can the scUM coaches....

 

[mbama1]

IT has everything to do with this kid's recruitment.

Kids want playing time sure, but at the level that Cullen is going to compete he wants Big Ten (or whatever conference he goes too) championships and a shot at the MNC every year.

You can't tell me Michigan is going to be anywhere near that in the next 2 years....nor, despite all of the obvious needs for DBs with any type of talent or tackling ability, can the scUM coaches....

Actually, it has NOTHING to do with his recruitment, as kids aren't swayed by 1 or 2 games, and MOST of the top kids like Christian develop relationships with the coaching staffs in their jr seasons, and the season previous has more to do with a current recruiting class than the ongoing season.

And this isn't college basketball where kids come in as a free agent for a year and then turn pro.

If Cullen commits to Michigan, he's committing to the program and university for 4-5 years, not 1or 2 like college b-ball.

I don't know what's going to happen with the Michigan football team on a weekly basis, so how the hell do I know what is going to happen in 2 years.

I think you are over-simplifying things to an extreme degree.

 

[Mike80]

Actually, it has NOTHING to do with his recruitment, as kids aren't swayed by 1 or 2 games, and MOST of the top kids like Christian develop relationships with the coaching staffs in their jr seasons, and the season previous has more to do with a current recruiting class than the ongoing season.

And this isn't college basketball where kids come in as a free agent for a year and then turn pro.

If Cullen commits to Michigan, he's committing to the program and university for 4-5 years, not 1or 2 like college b-ball.

I don't know what's going to happen with the Michigan football team on a weekly basis, so how the hell do I know what is going to happen in 2 years.

I think you are over-simplifying things to an extreme degree.

Except it ISN'T one or two games, this is the same pattern Michigan showed LAST YEAR as well.

And where exactly do you think Michigan will be by the end of next year? Losing most of their experienced players, possibly starting yet ANOTHER freshman QB AND your head coach's biggest ally is retiring in September. Next year is a win or else season and by else I mean you'll end up with a new coaching staff.

Dickrod sucks as a coach, his teams play completely unmotivated, he hasn't developed ANY players so far, etc. Unless this kid is already in the bag, he's absolutely noticing such things.

 

[buckeyemania11]

mbama1

 

[BrutusBobcat]

Beating Illinois is critical for the scummers, because it would make them bowl eligible.

Still not bowl eligible. Boiler Up!

 

[Sportsbuck28]

Still not bowl eligible. Boiler Up!

They wouldn't have been bowl eligible even if they had won... pretty sure wins over FCS competition don't count towards bowl eligibility.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

They wouldn't have been bowl eligible even if they had won... pretty sure wins over FCS competition don't count towards bowl eligibility.

The current rule is that you're allowed to count one win over an FCS school, unfortunately. That might be confusing for Michigan fans, because they haven't been able to count one in a while.

 

[BB73]

They wouldn't have been bowl eligible even if they had won... pretty sure wins over FCS competition don't count towards bowl eligibility.

A few years ago, a team could count a win like that once every 3 or 4 years. It was a weird rule. They replaced it with another weird rule, but wins over FCS teams can count toward bowl eligibility, as long as the FCS schools are giving out almost all of their available schollies.

Link (last year's NCAA bowl rules)

A deserving winning team is defined as one that wins a minimum of six games against Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) competition and has a record that includes more wins than losses. [Exception: Each year, a FBS institution may count a victory against a Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) opponent that has averaged 90 percent of the permissible maximum number of grants-in-aid per year in FCS over a rolling two-year period.]

Per NCAA Bylaw 30.9.2.1 an institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be selected for participation in a bowl game if 1) the institution or its conference has a primary contractual affiliation, which existed prior to the first contest of the applicable season, with the sponsoring bowl organization. In the case of a conference contractual affiliation, all
conference teams with winning records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game; and 2) all contractual affiliations have been fulfilled and all institutions with
winning records have received bowl invitations (either through a contractual affiliation or ​

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as an at-large selection).​

 

[Tbuck]

So let me get this straight . . . They may have to figure out if Delaware State is actually giving out enough scholarships to their players to determine if they are allowed in a bowl game?????

Priceless.

 

[jwinslow]

A Harsh Message | mgoblog

Yesterday's second half was the worst blow to a Revolution since:
A. The Winter of Valley Forge
B. The Seige of Vicksburgh
C. The Alamo
Well, it cant be the Alamo because thats what last week's game was. So that makes it either Valley Forge or Vicksburgh. And, really, right now, on the first day of November in Year 2 of the Rodriguez Revolution, it's hard to determine which is the more apt historical marker in light of yesterday's outcome and ensuing aftermath. It could be either one right now. A clear cut TBD.
If it's Valley Forge, its a cold harsh reminder of how long the struggle will be, yet a fact of life towards the eventual birth of a super power. If its Vicksburgh, its the beginning of an end, one that could be as drawn out with an ensuing upheaval and Reconstruction period that ultimately would set the program back farther back than any of us can possibly imagine.
Clearly, I hope its the former. Sadly, I can no longer expect that. I remain convinced Rodriguez can get it done in a big way here at Michigan. I am now, however, dubious that he can survive the noise that will envelop the program in the wake of the Illinois loss. The critics had been put away, but they seize on losses like this with the reactionary temper of a hyperbolic spastic hopped up on an eight ball. Those critics must be RIGHT becasue their OUTRAGE is LOUD and ANGRY and this is UNACCEPTABLE and they WONT TAKE THIS ANYMORE because this is not MICHIGAN FOOTBALL.
Well, I have two words for those hyperbolic reactionaries today.

Shut Up.
Oh, and another sentence.
Go cheer for another team for awhile.
You should have left years ago. Let me clue you in on a dirty little secret: Your precious Michigan program has been fooling people for an entire decade. Any reference to It as contemporary elite program is rubbish. I hate to throw out the real F word, but they have been frauds for a long time now.
Do you want to know why your bowl streak didnt die sooner? The difference between some of the teams earlier this decade and 2008 is some got to sit next hot rollers while one sat next to an all-star cooler.

The 2004 team was the luckiest team in program history. 2005 might have been the second luckiest, despite its Infinite Pain lore. The 2005 team 's 7-5 record was much closer to the program's true identity, record wise, than the seasons immediately before and after it. The famed 2006 team almost lost to Ball State. In the tenth game of the season. A MAC team. With a losing record. Hokalicious!


...cont'd