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2009 tOSU Offensive Line Discussion (official thread)

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exhawg;1533918; said:
That's probably true, but might be largely due to how much we run it. Power isn't a bad play, just not one of my favorites. We watched some OSU film back in college during the Coop era and I swear that Power was the only play he knew how to run.
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Don't forget that Coop won a basket full of games running power and play action. he just couldn't win the right one. :(
 
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Everyone keeps forgetting a major point when concerning the O-line, we have a MOBILE QB! Mobile QBs almost always make the O-line look better because of what they can do with their legs. Guys like Vince Young, Pat White and Dennis Dixon(to name a few) won some very big games with suspect lines. VY made (supposedly) the greatest USC team look like a JV team in that Rose Bowl a few years back because they couldn't catch him, and HIS legs opened up the running game. The RBs for all 3 of those QBs would not have been nearly a factor if their QB wasn't always a threat to a get a 1st down with his legs. Take the play where TP broke the tackle against Navy and got the ball to Ballard, that is a prime example of what he and other mobile QBs can do when pressured. And we all saw what happened to Bauserman when he was pressured! I'm not down on JB but he's a pocket passer and doesn't have the wheels that TP has, just like the problem with Boeckman. If Troy could've channelled his Junior year in that NC game, I think it would've been far different. The threat with a mobile QB is if u drop back too far in coverage he can run for a chunk of yards or if u rush him he can hit the WRs in a 1 on 1 situation. I think we might be a little premature in our evaluations so far of this line. When it comes to the QB we have, O-line play is only as good as HE makes them look. If Cordle or Brewster mess up a block but TP trucks or runs past the blitzing LB or a DE that blew up our line then no one would complain. Just like no one would complain if Browning or Miller miss a block but TP escapes a tackle and flicks a 40yd TD pass to Posey. We have one of the most exciting players in CFB in our backfield, and his job with his legs makes the O-line look better. I'm not saying for him to be a primarily running QB but use his legs to escape the pass rush and use his arm. If our previous QB did that against UF, we would have another NC sitting in our trophy case!
 
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On the same hand, many times mobile Qb's make the O Lines job more difficult because of that mobility and the sometimes inherent unpredictability that these Qb's tend to have... Not saying you are wrong at all and I love that we have a mobile QB, but it does work both ways at times.
 
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Heacock and Bollman tidbits

The two coordinators graced us with their presence tonight :), and here's what I think we learned:

-- Jim Bollman said left guard Justin Boren had the only "winning performance" on the offensive line last week, then said several others were close. Keep in mind, it's traditionally tough to earn a winning grade, so that doesn't mean the other four had "losing performances."

-- As I suspected after reviewing tape, Bollman said there were some adjustment and communication issues up front on some pass-protection calls. He didn't single out center Michael Brewster, but he did say that responsibility generally falls in the middle of the line...same thing!

-- Bollman is going to wait and see whether it's worth burning the redshirt years for freshman Jack Mewhort, Corey Linsley and Marcus Hall, even though all three have been on the second team recently. He said there's no use burning a year unless they really are going to play decent minutes -- not just to play 20 plays at the ends of blowouts. So I suspect much will depend on injuries and/or ineffectiveness of the veterans.
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Heacock and Bollman tidbits (Blogging the Buckeyes)
 
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CPD

Ohio State Buckeyes offensive line back to basics as USC looms

Thursday, September 10, 2009 Doug Lesmerises
Plain Dealer Reporter

Columbus- Ohio State's offensive line was looking crisp, quick and more confident, OSU coach Jim Tressel thought as the Buckeyes were preparing for Navy. That's not quite where they are now.
With the USC game two days away, the Buckeyes have a line on which left guard Justin Boren was the only one to receive a winning performance grade as the coaches evaluated their efforts in the opener. And some simple things tripped up a line that had four players with starting experience but only one playing in the same place he started a year ago.
"We were just screwing up some plays and not blocking the right guys," right tackle Jim Cordle said. "We were getting confused with the defense a little bit, and we just kind of lacked technique."

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Uhhh, I don't know about u guys, but that quote from Cordle doesn't sound too promising, 2 days before the biggest game of the regular season and before a game that could change our national perception!
 
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pnuts34;1535207; said:
Uhhh, I don't know about u guys, but that quote from Cordle doesn't sound too promising, 2 days before the biggest game of the regular season and before a game that could change our national perception!
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Technique suffers when you are struggling with knowing the assignment. If the D confused our guys a little, Navy did thier job in disguising thier schemes presnap.... As some (including me) have said about a dozen times in the past couple weeks, THAT IS WHAT NAVY DOES.

The sky is not falling. Lets see what happens this week. I think (and hope) we will all be pleasantly suprized.
 
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I rewatched the line last night and to be honest, this was just a lack of execution and awareness, not a lack of talent. Whenever we were engaged and alert, the blocks were made and yards were gained. Most of the time the line had difficulty picking up where the blitzes were coming from. Time after time Navy telegraphed blitzes and somehow they were not picked up. I don't know if Brewster should have been making the line call to pick them up or if Pryor wasn't alerting them, or if the tackle should have seen it though. There were a couple times they only brought 3 or 4 but still got pressure, while Brewster covered grass and Shugarts or Miller doubled on an end while the pressure came from the edge where they should have been. In the run game it was much of the same. Boren did a good job of chipping off until the man was blocked and gettting to the next level, but nobody else really did.

Also, we need Boren pulling and not Browning...many times the defender blew him up on the pull. We had some good plays but we were inconsistent all along the line, aside from Boren. Cordle was overextending himself, Browning wasn't finding defenders to block and the left tackles weren't picking up who they should have been blocking in the passing game.
I will say that aside from when they didn't see the blitzers, both of Shugarts and Miller looked fantastic. They also had some nice run blocks, springing Herron and Saine outside. To be perfectly honest, the most problematic part of the line could very well be the right side. I am all for having Shugarts at LT and Miller AT RT, with Cordle rotating with Browning at the right guard.
On one final note, Brewster really struggled finding someone to block at times...he is going to need to step it up for us to be a good offensive line. Overall I think this line looks pretty talented but they really need to gel and work together on picking up the right guys to block. It just looks more like a schematical problem to me, which at least can be fixed, where as talent cannot be.
 
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"We were just screwing up some plays and not blocking the right guys," right tackle Jim Cordle said. "We were getting confused with the defense a little bit, and we just kind of lacked technique."


Not this shit again. Doesn't Tressel emphasize technique and execution over patsy trickeration and blazing speed? How does this happen every year (ok, the last few)? Because we move guys around to different positions every year? Really? Oh, ok.

/ Sorry
 
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