2009 tOSU Offensive Line Discussion (official thread)

[Oneshot]

Probably, that is standard for most zone blocking schemes. The lateral steps help time up the double teams so that both blockers hit the defender at the same time. The goal is to double team the DL back into the LB and make them choose a side.
For Power (backside guard pulls around) you rely more on firing off and drive blocking the front side defenders toward the inside so that the pulling guard and/or FB can come across and seal the hole. I think Power is what they unsuccessfully tried to run on 4th and 2. JT loves Power a lot more than he probably should, but it's never been one of my favorite plays.

Power is what we get most of our long TD runs off of, correct? It's just the short yardage where it seems ineffective.

 

[Piney]

Most likely the reason the guy was unblocked is because of the protection we were in. Many times, there are protections that leave a guy "hot" and it is the QB's resposibility to know where he is and avoid him.

Not sure if this was brought up, as I only read the last few pages...

This reminded me of something JT said last week. That Pryor now has the full package of calls at the line, including protection schemes.

Since alot of people are saying alot of the problems were blown assignments at the line, could this also have been the fact this was the first time Pryor was making these calls in live action?

 

[RB07OSU]

Probably, that is standard for most zone blocking schemes. The lateral steps help time up the double teams so that both blockers hit the defender at the same time. The goal is to double team the DL back into the LB and make them choose a side.
For Power (backside guard pulls around) you rely more on firing off and drive blocking the front side defenders toward the inside so that the pulling guard and/or FB can come across and seal the hole. I think Power is what they unsuccessfully tried to run on 4th and 2. JT loves Power a lot more than he probably should, but it's never been one of my favorite plays.

They usually run that in a single back though don't they? I know we ran Power really effectively with Clarrett and Pittman did well with it too...I would have thought Herron and Saine would have been ideal for that play (if the blocking is there).

If Miller can handle the LT spot then I gotta think JB needs to be our right tackle. He is a natural tackle, and has a little bit of nasty. This leaves Cordle and Browning to battle it out for the RG spot.

I guess I need to watch the game again because I didn't notice Cordle having many problems but I did notice many of the blitzes not getting picked up by Shugarts and Miller on the left side. When engaged, they looked great but it didn't look like they were scanning the field very well for "visitors."

Brewster was getting pushed around a bit, but at least he was locking up. Cordle, on the other hand, was just flat out whiffing at times.

I was pretty surprised that the times I noticed Brewster, it wasn't very pretty. I was also shocked that the interior was struggling as much as they were to get some push because I was convinced that would be the strength of the line. Boren looked good from what I saw though. Again, I guess I'll rewatch it in regards to Cordle.

 

[DontHateOState]

OL is taking plenty of hits after the game. Some are deserved...but the backs also missed plenty of reads or were slow to read their keys in the zone scheme.

Not at all saying the OL played great...but not as bad as is being made out.

Navy started out in an odd front 2 shell. Unless tOSU spreads them out, that gives them 7 on 6 in the the box. Once tOSU did spread them out somewhat, Navy started working the zone blitz scheme to get something going.

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Navy ran the fire-zone blitz right at the bootleg a number of times. TP handled it very calmly, and Tress countered with a speed option later in the game. Overall, I was very pleased with the playcalling and pass-blocking except in a few instances. We had an answer for everything they did defensively.

Cordle concerns me at right tackle- he allowed Navy's edge rusher (linebacker/end on some plays) to take him too far out wide. A better rusher will take him wide with the first step and then cut in front.

 

[buckeyboy]

If Miller can handle the LT spot then I gotta think JB needs to be our right tackle. He is a natural tackle, and has a little bit of nasty. This leaves Cordle and Browning to battle it out for the RG spot.

I'd love to see this happen but I'm not sure it will materialize.

 

[NightmaresDad]

Navy ran the fire-zone blitz right at the bootleg a number of times. TP handled it very calmly, and Tress countered with a speed option later in the game. Overall, I was very pleased with the playcalling and pass-blocking except in a few instances. We had an answer for everything they did defensively.

Cordle concerns me at right tackle- he allowed Navy's edge rusher (linebacker/end on some plays) to take him too far out wide. A better rusher will take him wide with the first step and then cut in front.

AS long as Cordle doesn't open up, he'll be OK on the wide rush.

I thought the O-line played "OK". Some confusion as to assignments with the tackles maybe. Boren didn't look too great pulling. MOst of the running plays that were stopped by Navy were a sellout on their part to stop the run.
We would have killed them with more play action and more passing in general.

PSU's D. Clark threw 40 passes? In basically 2 & 1/2 quarters? Wow.
If TP would have thrown even 30 times the score would have been very lopsided in our favor.

I really liked the play-calling, though, in general. Really looking forward to seeing what we've got planned for USC.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

AS long as Cordle doesn't open up, he'll be OK on the wide rush.

I thought the O-line played "OK". Some confusion as to assignments with the tackles maybe. Boren didn't look too great pulling. MOst of the running plays that were stopped by Navy were a sellout on their part to stop the run.
We would have killed them with more play action and more passing in general.

PSU's D. Clark threw 40 passes? In basically 2 & 1/2 quarters? Wow.
If TP would have thrown even 30 times the score would have been very lopsided in our favor.

I really liked the play-calling, though, in general. Really looking forward to seeing what we've got planned for USC.

Not necessarily O-Line related, but related to what might be planned for the SC game....

I can't think of ANY reason to declare that Bauserman was certain to play a specific series against Navy other than making SC think about it.

And, what should they think about it? I mean.. it's clear we're not going to rotate JB with TP like OSU did last year with TB and TP... so.. why would we want JB to get live, meaningful snaps?

The only reason I can think of has to do with the Texas Fiesta Bowl game...

 

[TheIronColonel]

No offense to Bauserman (in fact, I think we're lucky to have a quality backup like him), but TP is clearly the more dangerous QB. Why on Earth would we scheme to play Bauserman and use TP as a gadget? Just. Play. Good. Offense.

 

[ant80]

No offense to Bauserman (in fact, I think we're lucky to have a quality backup like him), but TP is clearly the more dangerous QB. Why on Earth would we scheme to play Bauserman and use TP as a gadget? Just. Play. Good. Offense.

Off topic, but I think the coaches might have considered it if Boyd had come here.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

No offense to Bauserman (in fact, I think we're lucky to have a quality backup like him), but TP is clearly the more dangerous QB. Why on Earth would we scheme to play Bauserman and use TP as a gadget? Just. Play. Good. Offense.

I agree.... I'm just trying to make sense of the move

 

[buckeyes_rock]

Not necessarily O-Line related, but related to what might be planned for the SC game....

I can't think of ANY reason to declare that Bauserman was certain to play a specific series against Navy other than making SC think about it.

And, what should they think about it? I mean.. it's clear we're not going to rotate JB with TP like OSU did last year with TB and TP... so.. why would we want JB to get live, meaningful snaps?

The only reason I can think of has to do with the Texas Fiesta Bowl game...

My thoughts on the playing of JoeB were simply to give him some meaningful snaps in case he ever had to come into the game. I imagine JT thought we'd blow Navy out and so it wouldn't matter if Joe took a series from TP. There's a lot to be said for a backup who's actually had some "real" experience in a game as opposed to a guy who's a green as green could be. JT's always had the luxury of some quality backups (see Todd B and McMullen). Anyway, just my thoughts. I sure hope this is all it was and not some plan to play our best offensive weapon at WR on Sat...:)

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

My thoughts on the playing of JoeB were simply to give him some meaningful snaps in case he ever had to come into the game. I imagine JT thought we'd blow Navy out and so it wouldn't matter if Joe took a series from TP. There's a lot to be said for a backup who's actually had some "real" experience in a game as opposed to a guy who's a green as green could be. JT's always had the luxury of some quality backups (see Todd B and McMullen). Anyway, just my thoughts. I sure hope this is all it was and not some plan to play our best offensive weapon at WR on Sat...:)

Yeah, I get that... I'm just not sure that makes a lot of sense. I mean, if Tress thought Navy was a push over, he could have let TP keep his rhythm and played JB all of the 4th in mop up time...

Which.. maybe he wanted Terrelle to loose his rhythm against Navy, see how he responds, rather than having him loose it against SC...

I don't know... it just seemed odd to me. And I don't think Tressel does things "just because" That is, there's a reason and I am unsure as to what it was.

I guess we'll find out some time

 

[exhawg]

Power is what we get most of our long TD runs off of, correct? It's just the short yardage where it seems ineffective.

That's probably true, but might be largely due to how much we run it. Power isn't a bad play, just not one of my favorites. We watched some OSU film back in college during the Coop era and I swear that Power was the only play he knew how to run.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Yeah, I get that... I'm just not sure that makes a lot of sense. I mean, if Tress thought Navy was a push over, he could have let TP keep his rhythm and played JB all of the 4th in mop up time...

Which.. maybe he wanted Terrelle to loose his rhythm against Navy, see how he responds, rather than having him loose it against SC...

I don't know... it just seemed odd to me. And I don't think Tressel does things "just because" That is, there's a reason and I am unsure as to what it was.

I guess we'll find out some time

I didn't like the move a whole lot, but I just guess he wanted Bauserman to have meaningful snaps instead of in teh 4th Q when JB knew if he screwed up it wouldn't be a huge deal. Part of it could be JT wanted him to have some live time in case he used him with Pryor, but I would've guessed that any playing time (2nd Q, 4th Q whatever) would've been fine in that case.

Whatever. It'll be interesting to see if JT dials up a Pryor fade for the USC game.

 

[GomerBucks]

That's probably true, but might be largely due to how much we run it. Power isn't a bad play, just not one of my favorites. We watched some OSU film back in college during the Coop era and I swear that Power was the only play he knew how to run.

Power is the bread and butter of our run game and while sometimes we dont get it done with that play (4th &2 this week) We do get huge runs when we get it right. The very basic scheme of power is to get more guys at the point of attack than the defense has.