2009 tOSU Offense Discussion

[cbrian815]

Really? You really think that OSU is going to have 4-5 games a year where they put up 620 yards? Who do we have on our team, Griffin, Byars, Pace, Smith and Boston?



Listen, OSU should be doing better on offense, and I'm confident that they will be fairly good this year, although anyhting can happen. Still, lets not go overboard. Even USC's 2005 offense, which is probably among the top offenses of all time, didn't regularly put up 620 ypg, although they came close.


But I don't really care about offensive yards. OSU had more yards than LSU in the 08 championship, and had scoring opportunities against USC. I'm more worried about redzone execution and scoring. If OSU only averages 370ypg, but puts up 32ppg, that's pretty good for me. Few teams average over 450 a game.

Actually in 2008 12 teams averaged 450 or more and 18 teams averaged 440 or more. Heck even little ole Penn St averaged about 450yards. If I remember correctly they outscored us in the Shoe last year. I don`t believe JT wouldn`t talk about those numbers if he didnt expect them. I doubt we lose any games with our Defense if we average those numbers. We need to show a big improvement in offense and find some consistency. We have been up and down since JT took over....mostly down on offense. I hope we have a much better O this year, it is be our biggest downfall as a team. Go Bucks

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

... And LSU a better team. Overall I agree especially at the [strike]QB[/strike] DT position but again we got down and could not comeback...

FIFY

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

FIFY

I still remember your with Dorsey and without Dorsey piece.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

I still remember your with Dorsey and without Dorsey piece.

Thanks - I still think that LSU 2007 was an underappreciated team talent-wise. Scary tackles, excellent linebackers and ridiculous safeties. Bo Pelini might never coach that much talent again.

 

[BB73]

I would like to see that yardage against ND in the 2005 BCS bowl game on a regular basis.

Hey, who wouldn't, but it's not realistic at all to expect that on a regular basis. 617 yards on 64 offensive snaps set a record that's hardly ever mentioned, but it is a very significant one.

9.64 yards per offensive snap is a record for any team in any bowl game, ever.

 

[jwinslow]

Actually in 2008 12 teams averaged 450 or more and 18 teams averaged 440 or more.

And not one of them played in a good defensive conference. Tulsa, Houston, OU, TxTech, Nev, Ok St, Oregon, Missouri, Texas, Rice, USC, Neb.

Heck even little ole Penn St averaged about 450yards.

That will happen when you schedule bad OOC opponents. They racked up 1700 yards on lowly CCarolina, Cuse & Temple. That high flying offense came to a screeching halt when they faced the best two defenses on their schedule. The total vs USC is also misleading, w/ 3 min left in the 3rd quarter, they were losing 7-24 and had 200 yards of offense. They put together some late drives, but the game was already over.

9.64 yards per offensive snap is a record for any team in any bowl game, ever.

game, set & match.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

but rarely do we meet our goals of 250yrd running and 200 passing

It's 250 passing and 200 yards rushing.

Since 2002 (2003-2008), Ohio State has achieved that combination 4 times. Care to guess the opponents?

Notre Dame (612 yds), Indiana (x2), and Illinois (pre-talent)

Unless JT changed his expectations after the 2003 season, Ohio State has managed that "goal" just 4 times, against suspect competition. You can get up to approximately 6-7 if your give a -15 yards tolerance on either pass/rush stats. Still...if you set your goal and can't obtain your goal.

There's definitely room for improvement if you only hit your offensive goals 6.3% of the time, against some of the weakest defensive teams you've played. Not to keep pounding the point with numbers, but that's like .7 games per year. Now stellar defensive plays and turnovers affect that stats (this doesn't account for 42-7 blowouts with awesome 300+ rushing days).

Set the goals at 400 yards (200 ea) and it gets a little better, but still a glaring difference between wins and losses which goes to say why they are in fact wins and losses, respectively.

It should be noted, however, that Jim Tressel is in fact undefeated when reaching his goal.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Tressel still has his 250/200 goal, but he also has the habit off taking his foot off the pedal once he feels the game's in hand.

 

[cbrian815]

Tressel still has his 250/200 goal, but he also has the habit off taking his foot off the pedal once he feels the game's in hand.

I totally agree with this but always wondered wouldn`t it help to continue to run misdirection or other plays to the TE. Why would we have to run off tackle every time the game is in hand. I am not big on running up the score but not getting yards at all after the game is in hand can`t help our offense. I hope this year we step on the pedal for 4 quarters and get this O rollin`, besides everyone knows JT isn`t trying to kill teams. Go Bucks

 

[Jaxbuck]

It dug them a hole they could not escape in that game, despite the fact that Pittman was able to pound it straight at them. They were too aggressive, and the game was over in the 2nd quarter.

I think JT can find a happy balance with control and diversity on offense. Improving the latter (a current weakness) could very well enhance his ability to control possession, field position, TOP, etc.

Not to pick nits JW but thats confusing failure with what they are attempting to accomplish. Trying to score more isn't the bad thing, failure to do so is the bad thing. Failing to achieve the goal doesn't make the goal wrong.

If anyone could magically pick how every drive the team had in a game would end (TD, FG or Punt) what would they choose? I pray to God everyone answers "TD" to that question. Obviously that never happens so you then get to the don't turn it over, convert 3rd downs, control the clock phase of measuring offensive effectiveness. Those are all good things to measure but they are secondary, scoring is the goal (the last drive or two of a game when a coach is trying to milk the clock is the exception not the rule). I think JT has done such a good job telling everyone its ok to punt they think he wants to do it.

Not you specifically but I keep seeing different variations on the good offense = tired/less effective defense argument. How much easier is it to play defense with a lead all the time? When the other team has to abandon the run and get pass happy to try and keep up? Recruiting provides depth, depth and conditioning should overcome the tired defense issue.

If I'm a DC I'd rather have a tired defense protecting a big lead than a fresh one protecting a one score knuckle buster. Give me the larger margin for error everytime.

 

[pnuts34]

Not to pick nits JW but thats confusing failure with what they are attempting to accomplish. Trying to score more isn't the bad thing, failure to do so is the bad thing. Failing to achieve the goal doesn't make the goal wrong.

If anyone could magically pick how every drive the team had in a game would end (TD, FG or Punt) what would they choose? I pray to God everyone answers "TD" to that question. Obviously that never happens so you then get to the don't turn it over, convert 3rd downs, control the clock phase of measuring offensive effectiveness. Those are all good things to measure but they are secondary, scoring is the goal (the last drive or two of a game when a coach is trying to milk the clock is the exception not the rule). I think JT has done such a good job telling everyone its ok to punt they think he wants to do it.

Not you specifically but I keep seeing different variations on the good offense = tired/less effective defense argument. How much easier is it to play defense with a lead all the time? When the other team has to abandon the run and get pass happy to try and keep up? Recruiting provides depth, depth and conditioning should overcome the tired defense issue.

If I'm a DC I'd rather have a tired defense protecting a big lead than a fresh one protecting a one score knuckle buster. Give me the larger margin for error everytime.

Amen on that! I get sick of hearing all the time about our defense has to win games, or good offense=mediocre defense. I would rather always have the lead and have my D facing a pass happy team. I'm not saying Tress should run up the score, but at times I wish he would just to prove a point to the nation that we can score and keep up with just about every team in the nation. Our redzone O needs to improve significantly if we want to even challenge USC, because thats how we were embarassed last season in LA. They got TDs, and we settled for FGs and trying to get field position.

 

[ysubuck]

Tressel still has his 250/200 goal, but he also has the habit off taking his foot off the pedal once he feels the game's in hand.

That's been my beef and I've stated it a thousand times while watching Ohio State football.

Poe pointed out that even though we constantly hear about the 200/250 goal it's only been achieved 4 times and two of those were against fucking Indiana.

Reach that goal (if that truly is the goal for your offense) and then take your foot off the gas.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

That's been my beef and I've stated it a thousand times while watching Ohio State football.

Poe pointed out that even though we constantly hear about the 200/250 goal it's only been achieved 4 times and two of those were against fucking Indiana.

Reach that goal (if that truly is the goal for your offense) and then take your foot off the gas.

I'm pretty sure the "real" goal is to score at least one more point that the opponent....

I also have trouble believing that the following games would have been somehow better if the stat goal was achieved (I chose Ohio State wins where they scored more points than they did against ND in the Fiesta Bowl, since that was record output and all) (Since I didn't look it up, I also did not count any games against Indiana or Illinois because I dont' know which ones met the stat goal):

2002

August 24 Texas Tech W 45-21 1-0 (0-0)
September 7 Kent State W 51-17 2-0 (0-0)
October 12 San Jose State W 50-7 7-0 (2-0)
November 2 Minnesota W 34-3 10-0 (5-0)

2003
September 13 North Carolina State W 44-38 3-0 (0-0)
January 2 vs. Kansas State W 35-28 11-2 (6-2)
* does not include 28-9 over Washington
20 - 0 over Northwestern
33-23 over Sparty

2004
November 20 Michigan W 37-21 7-4 (4-4)
*does not include 27-6 over Cincy
33-7 over Oklahoma State
30-7 over Indiana (for all I know, they met the stat goal in this game)
32-19 over Sparty

2005

September 3 Miami (OH) W 34-14 1-0 (0-0)
October 15 Michigan State W 35-24 4-2 (2-1)
October 29 at Minnesota W 45-31 6-2 (4-1)
November 12 Northwestern W 48-7 8-2 (6-1)*Does not include 27-6 over Sandy Ego State
31-6 over Iowa
(notes there was a 5 game stretch from Oct. 15 to Nov. 12 where Ohio State scored 35, 41, 45, 40, 48 points respectively (but Illinois and Indiana games not included above)

2006

September 16 Cincinnati W 37-7 3-0 (0-0)
September 30 at Iowa W 38-17 5-0 (2-0)
October 7 Bowling Green W 35-7 6-0 (2-0)
October 14 at Michigan State W 38-7 7-0 (3-0)
October 28 Minnesota W 44-0 9-0 (5-0)
November 11 at Northwestern W 54-10 11-0 (7-0)
November 18 Michigan W 42-39 12-0 (8-0)
* does not include 28-9 over NIU,
24-7 over #2 Texas or
28-6 over PSU

2007
September 1 Youngstown State W 38-6 1-0 (0-0)
September 22 Northwestern W 58-7 4-0 (1-0)
October 13 Kent State W 48-3 7-0 (3-0)
October 27 at Penn State W 37-17 9-0 (5-0)
November 3 Wisconsin W 38-17 10-0 (6-0)
* does not include 31-14 over Washington
or 20 - 2 over Akron

2008

August 30 Youngstown State W 43-0 1-0 (0-0)
September 27 Minnesota W 34-21 4-1 (1-0)
October 18 at No. 20 Michigan State W 45-7 7-1 (4-0)
November 8 at No. 24 Northwestern W 45-10 8-2 (5-1)
November 22 Michigan W 42-7 10-2 (7-1)


I'm not adverse to big stats, don't get me wrong. Would I love to see Ohio State go for 600 yards every game - absolutely. But I fail to see how 43-0 gains anything if the QB has 250 yards or 244 (as they did against YSU, failing to meet the goal)

 

[mooktarr]

Way in the rear of he legendary BP archives it is written that something about the most points scored wins?
It's in the same section where I found the one about cheese makes your poop hard.

 

[pnuts34]

Way in the rear of he legendary BP archives it is written that something about the most points scored wins?
It's in the same section where I found the one about cheese makes your poop hard.

Does it also say in those archives that the team that scores more TDs than the team who kicks more FGs wins? Becuase that's what seems to happen to our squad in big games. Sure its nice to dominate our conference, but we haven't scored many points and been pretty conservative in our playcalling against the likes of UF, LSU and USC. Our offense hasn't been designed to play from behind. U shouldn't be playing still for just field position when you're down 2 or more TDs in the first, which we were in those games.