2009 tOSU Offense Discussion

[scarletngray]

anyone else a bit concerned about the throws for touchdowns against Toledo?? Great that they were completed, and some great catches by the receivrs, but not the greatest reads. It's great our players made plays, but forcing throws into double coverage isn't always the best idea. Just not as confident as a lot are about the development of the offense....

Actually, I was encouraged because the throws were right on target and the only person who had a chance to catch the balls were the receivers. In addition, he threw the balls BEFORE the receiver made his break. Great timing. Great accuracy. Great plays.

It was the long "throw the ball long and hope our guy comes down with it" throws that resulted in INT that I am concerned about...

:osu:

 

[1926Buckeyes]

anyone else a bit concerned about the throws for touchdowns against Toledo?? Great that they were completed, and some great catches by the receivrs, but not the greatest reads. It's great our players made plays, but forcing throws into double coverage isn't always the best idea. Just not as confident as a lot are about the development of the offense....

I thought the second throw to Sanz was excellent. Pryor had a good game and got a ton of yards, but he made mistakes and certainly needs to improve. Still, I think that Pryor made a few good steps in the right direction.

Also, some people forget that Smith, in his first 4 games of '05 was 55%, averaged 138ypg passing, and had 3TD/2INT


Anyway, as not to make the whole post about Pryor, I though the OL agains played well on passing downs but does need to improve rushing the ball. THe WRs looked pretty good. IMO this team is going to keep getting better and better and is in a good place right now. Pryor just needs to increase his consistency.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

anyone else a bit concerned about the throws for touchdowns against Toledo?? Great that they were completed, and some great catches by the receivrs, but not the greatest reads. It's great our players made plays, but forcing throws into double coverage isn't always the best idea. Just not as confident as a lot are about the development of the offense....

No. Sanzo and Posey were open and the one where Pryor fit in between the corner and safety was a big time throw. Big time QB's get to make those throws.

 

[billmac91]

No. Sanzo and Posey were open and the one where Pryor fit in between the corner and safety was a big time throw. Big time QB's get to make those throws.

Call me negative..but I disagree......I think it's a QB still locked on the first target and putting the ball where his receiver should be without reading the coverage.

Great throw....yes.

Right read......no.

But I could easily be wrong......

 

[Kenshin]

This type of negative comment, without offering any suggestions for improvement, isn't what we expect on BP.

It's OK to critique the offense, but also offer ideas as to how it could be improved. Something as simple as saying that you'd like to see more QB sneaks on third and 1, or less power formations inside the 5-yard line.

Because without adding something to the discussion, such negative comments simply lie somewhere between whining and bashing, and we don't want either of those things on our football boards.

Sorry to make an example of you, but I wanted everyone to be able to read this explanation.

The solution should have been obvious for you, but instead you're more interested in pigeonholing me just because you don't agree.

The solution: Get an O-Coordinator.

Say whatever you want, but we've been out-coached since Florida.
We went into that game with the entirely wrong game plan. Undersized fast DL vs. Oversized Power OL... and we go to throwing the ball around with Pitt and Beanie right there. The latest result against USC was yet another shining example. Our Defense (which has a dedicated coordinator may I point out) is outstanding -- our Offense was terrible.

PS That post was hardly as negative as you make it out to be. Again, 100% trust in Tressel as Head Coach. He's the man. I just think it's time we brought in an expert for Offense.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Call me negative..but I disagree......I think it's a QB still locked on the first target and putting the ball where his receiver should be without reading the coverage.

Great throw....yes.

Right read......no.

But I could easily be wrong......

All I know it was a good pass that showed great anticipation. Let big time talents take risks. Pryor isn't a Krenzel or Boeckman.

 

[billmac91]

All I know it was a good pass that showed great anticipation. Let big time talents take risks. Pryor isn't a Krenzel or Boeckman.

Boeckman had a better arm than Terrelle though. Terrelle is a much better QB and has more potential, but Todd was All Big-10 for a reason when he played well his junior season.

My only reservation is......I loved the big plays, I just hated the throws into bracketed recivers and double coverage. They were completed throws, but I don't think the right reads.

I'm still not sure the tough pass over Malcolm Smith(USC) was the right throw to make to Devier Posey...it just worked out. Great throw, right read......no.

It's still developmental time, and I'm prob nit-picking, but I'm just not more optimistic after a thrashing over Toldeo. In my mind, plays were made in spite of good decesions, not plays made by the right read and executed throws.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Boeckman had a better arm than Terrelle though. Terrelle is a much better QB and has more potential, but Todd was All Big-10 for a reason when he played well his junior season.

Disagree 100%.

My only reservation is......I loved the big plays, I just hated the throws into bracketed recivers and double coverage. They were completed throws, but I don't think the right reads.

If you have a big arm, you get to take those risks. Sometimes it bites you and sometimes it results in TD's.

I'm still not sure the tough pass over Malcolm Smith(USC) was the right throw to make to Devier Posey...it just worked out. Great throw, right read......no.

Just how open do they need to be? What was the right read?

It's still developmental time, and I'm prob nit-picking, but I'm just not more optimistic after a thrashing over Toldeo. In my mind, plays were made in spite of good decesions, not plays made by the right read and executed throws.

It's all part of the growing process. You can't expect TP to reach his potential if you shelter him like the coaches did last year. I'm encouraged by his progress.

 

[BB73]

The solution should have been obvious for you, but instead you're more interested in pigeonholing me just because you don't agree.

The solution: Get an O-Coordinator.

I don't believe I have indicated whether I agree with your opinion or not. And whether or not I agree with you was not the point. I was functioning as a moderator, pointing out what type of critical posts are acceptable on this board, and what are not.

And I do believe that your original statement (shown below), with the 10% comment, is a very harsh comment. Without any other comments or suggestions, that type of post is not condoned on this football board, and part of my role is to point that out. So please heed that advice going forward.

I have 100% faith in Tressel as a Head Coach. But I'm running on about 10% wrt his Offensive Coordinator skills.

Also, in the future, when a moderator quotes your post and offers guidance on posting, and is clearly functioning as a moderator while doing so; I wouldn't recommend that you use a smiley such as the roll-eyes thing in your response.

 

[billmac91]

Disagree 100%.



If you have a big arm, you get to take those risks. Sometimes it bites you and sometimes it results in TD's.



Just how open do they need to be? What was the right read?



It's all part of the growing process. You can't expect TP to reach his potential if you shelter him like the coaches did last year. I'm encouraged by his progress.

Does he have that big of an arm? Tressel once said Todd threw the best deep ball he had seen since being at tOSU. Terrelle doesn't really have a rifle attached to his right shoulder. He can get it down-field, but velocity and touch are still MAJOR works in progress.

As far as being open and the right read......I'd be more comfortable with him not putting the ball directly in-between a safety and CB. The play is completed, and the average fan thinks "damn....what a throw". Heh. If Peyton Manning makes that throw, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I'd rather see Terrelle check off to a reciever in single coverage or an open player in the flat.

Again, I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer. I just saw a lot of completed throws that were not necessarily the right reads or throws IMO. Just because he fit a perfect throw between a safety and CB for a TD against Toledo, doesn't mean it was the right throw. Since Dane was bracketed on that throw, who else was open? Did Terrelle pre-determine he was going to Dane before he received the snap? I don't argue how great the throw was....I just argue the decesion to make the throw, and the continued develepment on Terrelle and his ability to check down....

It reminds me of a player taking a 3 point shot, 4 feet from beyond the arc with 24 seconds left on the shot clock....."no, no, no.......wow, great shot".

 

[Kenshin]

I don't believe I have indicated whether I agree with your opinion or not. And whether or not I agree with you was not the point. I was functioning as a moderator, pointing out what type of critical posts are acceptable on this board, and what are not.

And I do believe that your original statement (shown below), with the 10% comment, is a very harsh comment. Without any other comments or suggestions, that type of post is not condoned on this football board, and part of my role is to point that out. So please heed that advice going forward.



Also, in the future, when a moderator quotes your post and offers guidance on posting, and is clearly functioning as a moderator while doing so; I wouldn't recommend that you use a smiley such as the roll-eyes thing in your response.

Got it. Rhetoric isn't allowed. I'll keep that in mind for the future.
Can I assume that my followup sufficiently clarified my position and was sufficiently constructive?

 

[martinss01]

Actually, I was encouraged because the throws were right on target and the only person who had a chance to catch the balls were the receivers. In addition, he threw the balls BEFORE the receiver made his break. Great timing. Great accuracy. Great plays.

It was the long "throw the ball long and hope our guy comes down with it" throws that resulted in INT that I am concerned about...

:osu:

i think thats all going to be part of the way this season goes really. his one long ball int to small. he had sanzo short if he throws to the sidelines and could have actually hit small if he had thrown it short. that was another friday night throw that we're going to see probably a couple times a game for the next few weeks at least.

Call me negative..but I disagree......I think it's a QB still locked on the first target and putting the ball where his receiver should be without reading the coverage.

i think your both right actually. at times he has done really well going through his progressions. other times... he locks on to guys. its dangerous for a lot of very obvious reasons. i think part of it is youth and part of it is self confidence. he knows he can make any throw he wants and he can put the ball in between defenders. the catch is, you only do that when you have to. not just "because you can". you take the easy yards when they are there. you only take the hard ones when you have to. experience.

Boeckman had a better arm than Terrelle though.

no way no how. boeckman was a good kid, but his biggest weakness was arm strength and it is ultimately what limited his development. a lot of the routes we ran and the reason our wr's were so easy to cover was because todd could accurately throw only a couple of routes. todd was a smart kid with a very good grasp of the offense. but there wasn't a dc in the nation that lost sleep because of todd's arm.

Terrelle is a much better QB and has more potential, but Todd was All Big-10 for a reason when he played well his junior season.

yeah... because he lite up a suspect overrated state penn team.

It's still developmental time, and I'm prob nit-picking, but I'm just not more optimistic after a thrashing over Toldeo. In my mind, plays were made in spite of good decesions, not plays made by the right read and executed throws.

i suppose at the very least we're better than colorado .

 

[BayBuck]

... we've been out-coached since Florida.
... entirely wrong game plan. ... our Offense was terrible...

Can I assume that my followup sufficiently clarified my position and was sufficiently constructive?

"Constructive"?

 

[TJnTN]

Have we run anything out of that Pistol formation this season? Will we?

 

[jwinslow]

Have we run anything out of that Pistol formation this season?

I don't believe so.

Will we?

I hope we see it in Ann Arbor. UM has had a fair share of trouble with option handoffs inside...