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2009 Purdue game thoughts

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LordJeffBuck;1571564; said:
Coaching? Play calling? Formations? Schemes? Philosophy? Tempo? Chemistry? Strategy? Tactics? And what are the solutions? Any suggestions? Or is bitching about the offensive numbers as far as you are willing to go?
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I will never understand why we are not in 4-5 WR sets the entire game like Purdue was most of the game. In addition to short passing, this would also benefit Pryor's athletic ability.
 
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LitlBuck;1571587; said:
I will never understand why we are not in 4-5 WR sets the entire game like Purdue was most of the game. In addition to short passing, this would also benefit Pryor's athletic ability.
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I think that would be a weakness. When Terrelle starts being able to make more than one read, that MAY be a possibility. Right now, you can see he doesnt look off, and gets stuck on just Posey, or just Carter. When youre in 5 wide, and use it as a weapon, the QB has to make the correct read, the OL needs to block, and the QB needs to make a good throw. The only reason we were successful running this, in the PU game, is bc PU let us.
 
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Just was one of those perfect storm games. Young team with good record comes in thinking they will roll after beating an undefeated team even with the right things being said. So in turn players don't play as hard thinking that they will win the majority of one on one matchups fairly easily. Which in turn puts more pressure on the young players to make good decisions fast(which has been the major problem offensively). A great defense that is worn out except KC(who made so many plays) and the D gets cut blocked at our line(strongest portion of the D) which makes it hard for them to get a push. Add in the fews bad calls/ non reviews or consistency with calls(fumble/ sanz catch/ holding) that draws from your entusiam on a sideline and the fact that they played out of their mind(that pic on the sideline was a GREAT play). The game looks alot worse than it really was but alot of issues stem from lack of true preparation to play Purdue. The only really bad offensive decisions I saw were at the goal line on 1st and 3 and we run option/PA pass/ option. When you have gottend 5 yards a carry, give your line something to get excited about by pushing a D that's on their heels into the endzone and run Saine behind them. All that being said.... I feel absolutely horrible for Worthington. We had them stopped and were about to have one more chance. He looked really dejected right after the play. Especially since we all know he is a class act and never meant to grab his facemask. JT said it best... we are about to find out a) what kind of team we are and b) how good these players really want to be. I have faith for good on both points and expect a return to winning by 20-30 points next week.
 
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jwinslow;1571569; said:
When was the last time the NFL was excited about a QB or OL from OSU? after 04? Sims was good, but excited is probably a little overstated.
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I brought this up last night with respect to the OL. I presumed that I would get ridiculed or ignored. I was ignored.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1571564; said:
The real issue is this: What changes need to be made to the Buckeye offense so that it can carry the team, and win the game, when the defense and special teams aren't up to the task? Is the problem talent? Technique? Coaching? Play calling? Formations? Schemes? Philosophy? Tempo? Chemistry? Strategy? Tactics? And what are the solutions? Any suggestions? Or is bitching about the offensive numbers as far as you are willing to go?
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This is precisely the issue that prompted me to enter the discussion after reading BP religiously for the past 5 years.

This was part of my conclusion in my first post a few weeks ago:

Take off the scarlet glasses. I want to know. What do you think Coach Tressel should do about his game plan on offense? Furthermore, I would like to work under the premise that firing Coach Tressel or Coach Bollman is unacceptable. Such talk is silly and counter-productive.

I am thinking that any measurable change will be incremental, but more than just a tweak is necessary. Let's presuppose that change is possible. Where does it start? What does it look like? I am looking for thoughtful, constructive responses that facilitate useful discussion. From a coaching standpoint, what kind of change is realistic and advisable?

I didn't need the Purdue game to tell me that there were concerns about our gameplan on offense. I suppose Coach Tressel has a good idea what his team needs to do but his players are not able to execute. However, the onus of responsibility is still on the coach to put a plan in place that is productive. What he is doing is not working.

What should he do?

I haven't re-watched the game yet, but the last TD-scoring drive utilized the quick, short passes that this offense needed to loosen up the defense. I also think a quicker pace would benefit.

Coach Siciliano said they have been working endlessly on TP's footwork, but I am still (occaisonally) astounded by his poor mechanics on short throws.

I'd like to see constructive discussion about strategy and coaching, not futile moaning about how our offense doesn't measure up when looking at year-end statistics.
 
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Woody1968;1571653; said:
Orlando Pace?
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Originally Posted by jwinslow
When was the last time the NFL was excited about a QB or OL from OSU? after 04? Sims was good, but excited is probably a little overstated.

Woody1968 , Orlando was before 2004 and I mean way before and you keep bringing up his name so maybe people don't get your point.
 
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CalvinistBuck;1571668; said:
I'd like to see constructive discussion about strategy and coaching, not futile moaning about how our offense doesn't measure up when looking at year-end statistics.
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I'd love to hear some ideas to improve this offense and help TP succeed. It seems like the problem though is that no really knows what the answer is.

It's obvious that he's not yet a drop back pocket passer. He doesn't run the option well or make good decisions in that offense either. Spreading the field and giving him lots of targets hasn't been successful because he's had a rough time reading defenses and going through his progressions.

So what are we left with as an offensive identity? Someone suggested a few days ago (Billmac I think) that maybe we should go to more of a hurry up, give the whole team the play at the line of scrimmage type offense like UF runs. This would take a little of the pressure off TP to try and read the D, but rather give him some quick options so he doesn't have so much decision making to do. Problem with that offense is that Tebow is a violent runner who seems to enjoy contact and getting 4-5 yard runs. But I do like the idea of it.
 
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Go to a true spread. You know when the coaches look over the defense and the offense looks to the sideline for the play.

Take the thinking out of it for Terrelle. He looks over to his coach and the coach tells him who to throw the ball to after the coach looks at the defensive formation.

I would hate that because it just drives me crazy to see the entire offense stand up and look to the sideline, but if that's what it takes then so be it.

The reason I think this is that the offense needs to be able to sustain some drives. Move the football. Short throws to your play makers in space. The spread will give you that dink down the field offense and move the chains. It also takes any thinking out of the equation for TP. He can't make his reads now so take that element off of his plate.

Could TP make those throws? I don't know. He overthrew a wide open Jake Ballard by 50 feet on Saturday.

This is obviously out of the question when talking about this season because it would entail a complete overhaul of the offense and that's not something you do mid season (I don't think).
 
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LitlBuck;1571685; said:
Originally Posted by jwinslow
When was the last time the NFL was excited about a QB or OL from OSU? after 04? Sims was good, but excited is probably a little overstated.

Woody1968 , Orlando was before 2004 and I mean way before and you keep bringing up his name so maybe people don't get your point.
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I saw it as a two part question

1. When was the last time the NFL was excited about a QB or OL from OSU?

2. After '04?

I can only answer the first, and the answer is Orlando Pace. :)
 
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