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2009 Purdue game thoughts

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Doesn't really answer the question but Nick Mangold has become an NFL all pro. I'd be curious if anyone has ever asked Nick how his time at Ohio State prepared him for the NFL.

LeCharles was a Rimington winner, but I can't remember when he was drafted. The Browns took care of him though :biggrin:.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1570798; said:
3. I know that the general consensus is that "Ohio State's offense sucks!" ... but did anyone notice that the defense gave up 26 points and made Joey Elliot look like CHRIS LEAK? I know that the offense didn't exactly make things easy on the defense with five turnovers and a general lack of aptitude, but the Purdue offense didn't seem to have any real problem completing passes, gaining yards, eating clock, and ultimately scoring points.
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ysubuck;1571710; said:
Doesn't really answer the question but Nick Mangold has become an NFL all pro. I'd be curious if anyone has ever asked Nick how his time at Ohio State prepared him for the NFL.

LeCharles was a Rimington winner, but I can't remember when he was drafted. The Browns took care of him though :biggrin:.
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Yeah, I think hat OL is one of the hardest areas to predict future success, either going from HS to college or college to the NFL. You rarely see an OL get a lot of attention, unless they are at the level of a player like Pace. The guy was considered a heisman contender. Even a solid OL player can have problems with increased speed and skill on the next level, so unless someone is considered NFL ready before the draft, they usually are not that pumped up.
 
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jwinslow;1571569; said:
When was the last time the NFL was excited about a QB or OL from OSU? after 04? Sims was good, but excited is probably a little overstated.
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let's play the other side of that card. scouts are generally pretty impressed with pretty much every other unit on the team, as evidenced by the fact that Ohio State has had the most players drafted this decade... now, did the staff strike out in OL recruiting FOR AN ENTIRE DECADE, or maybe has the staff done a less than stellar job of utilizing and developing the OL talent that it gets?

i find it hard to believe that a school like Ohio State can go 9 years and only have 1 quality NFL OL.

but then again, it still all falls back on the staff. either the coaches are not doing a good job evaluating and recruiting talent, or they are not doing a good job coaching the talent they get. same goes for execution. i used to go back and forth with Riptide on this. play calling vs execution. either way, the buck stops at the coaches. if the kids aren't executing, then the coaches are not doing a good enough job teaching the kids how to execute.

and will someone PLEASE tell me why we don't utilize more roll outs and bootlegs?
 
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It's interesting to see people are on the offense, how long have people been watching Ohio State football? As far as I can remember the strength has been the run and defense, sure, there was a few years where it was different, but for the most part that's what we are...

There are three things that can happen when you pass, and two of them ain't good - Woody Hayes
 
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OCBucksFan;1571757; said:
It's interesting to see people are on the offense, how long have people been watching Ohio State football? As far as I can remember the strength has been the run and defense, sure, there was a few years where it was different, but for the most part that's what we are...

There are three things that can happen when you pass, and two of them ain't good - Woody Hayes
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Yes, defense has always been our strength. But be fair here. Our offense is definitely broken and needs to be fixed. You can't be a fan of any kind of football and enjoy the offensive performances we've put forth in the last few weeks.

And speaking of our past strengths and identity...we had exactly one rush by our RB in the entire second half. That doesn't sound like OSU football to me at all. Just saying...
 
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lvbuckeye;1571746; said:
and will someone PLEASE tell me why we don't utilize more roll outs and bootlegs?
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I think the defenses the last few weeks have sold out to protect the edges and have dared TP to stand in the pocket and throw. (To make matters worse, Purdue had success collapsing our OL in the middle.)

One poster suggested that TP doesn't sell the bootleg very well. That may be true, but I'm not convinced that roll outs and boots would have been effective last week.

I know it sounds strange, but LJB is correct. We need to prove we can pass if we are going to sell the run.
 
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ysubuck;1571710; said:
Doesn't really answer the question but Nick Mangold has become an NFL all pro. I'd be curious if anyone has ever asked Nick how his time at Ohio State prepared him for the NFL.
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The reality is that tOSU has only three players in the 2-deep on the O-line in the NFL. If we assume that the coaches are preparing OL prospects better than their B10 peers, then it begs the question: Is JT and his staff consistently recruiting better talent than their B10 counterparts?

Yes, I know OL at the next level is difficult to project. However, I still think it's a fair question.
 
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Hmmmm...the I formation didn`t work....check. The shotgun formation 3 wides single back hasn`t worked.....check. If anyone has the answer please send it to the offensive staff because I don`t know if they have a good answer for our problems.

Defenses will continue to play us the way they are and we will have to beat it....they will not play us straight up....respecting our passing game. Maybe screen a defense too death or roll the pocket....but imo TP looks very shakey throwing on the run and I don`t know if we can really roll the pocket that often. We have never been a great screen team so I am not sure how that would work out. I am running out of suggestions...line up in the 5 wide and sling it around....hope for the best. Go Bucks
 
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CalvinistBuck;1571771; said:
I think the defenses the last few weeks have sold out to protect the edges and have dared TP to stand in the pocket and throw. (To make matters worse, Purdue had success collapsing our OL in the middle.)

One poster suggested that TP doesn't sell the bootleg very well. That may be true, but I'm not convinced that roll outs and boots would have been effective last week.

I know it sounds strange, but LJB is correct. We need to prove we can pass if we are going to sell the run.
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roll the pocket maybe...?

to put it in poker terms, everyone has a "tell." i think that opposing teams (and fans included) have picked up on our O's tells. we need to do something that doesn't give the play call away before we snap the ball.
 
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Maybe im wrong here but it seems to me that our defense has real problems with QB's who are confident with theyre passing game. Elliot seemed to be throwing very well and quite accurate. I'm sure a big part of that was our d-line being stopped so he had the time to read the field.

I havent looked into any past games about this but I personally always worry when we're about to face a team with a good passing QB. Not sure if the stats hold up to that.
 
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BuckFan38 said:
Maybe im wrong here but it seems to me that our defense has real problems with QB's who are confident with theyre passing game. Elliot seemed to be throwing very well and quite accurate. I'm sure a big part of that was our d-line being stopped so he had the time to read the field.

I havent looked into any past games about this but I personally always worry when we're about to face a team with a good passing QB. Not sure if the stats hold up to that.
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You're right. But it's easier than that. They have been susceptible to offenses that don't mind dinking and dunking down the field. Fortunately for the Buckeyes they don't face that too often.
 
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