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2009 Heisman Trophy discussion

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BB73;1577631; said:
To anybody with a Hesiman vote: When Jonathan Crompton has better production in conference games than Tim Tebow, please don't think that Tebow belongs anywhere in the conversation for Heisman frontrunners.
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Agree. I posted in Tebow's thread how his stats this year are very similar to (and in some ways worse than) Pryor's. Yep, the same Terrelle Pryor that idiots are claiming should be moved to WR due to his ineffectiveness as a QB.
 
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buckeyesin07;1577722; said:
Agree. I posted in Tebow's thread how his stats this year are very similar to (and in some ways worse than) Pryor's. Yep, the same Terrelle Pryor that idiots are claiming should be moved to WR due to his ineffectiveness as a QB.
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Saw that. BusNative posted those numbers in TP's thread yesterday, and I expanded the comparison to include Colt McCoy.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1577718; said:
My Ballot:

1. Johnathon Crompton
2. Tim Tebow


Man, that SEC is awesome! :p
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In his defense, Tim has had the worst head injury since man invented stone axes
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(see protective nurf helmet and red no-contact shirt), he rose again the second week
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, and he had his OC go to Starksville to be replaced by this man...



They should give him the trophy from last year too....Sam Bradford did not arise, but instead sent an e-mail to his rotator cuff muscles to quit and take a break. :shake: Tim is Threepeating, much in the way Kiffin in undefeated in moral conference play.
 
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A stats comparison of Noel Devine, Dion Lewis, and Mark Ingram.

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Ingram currently is the nation's fifth-leading rusher, averaging 125.5 yards per game. Devine is third (130.3 yards per game) and Lewis is fourth (128.6 yards), yet they are getting little Heisman mention.

Even HeismanPundit.com, called by Sports Illustrated as the Heisman's "foremost authority," does not have Devine or Lewis among its top 10 candidates, which includes Ingram and Oregon State's Jacquizz Rodgers, the nation's 10th-leading rusher, averaging 115.7 yards per game.

Did we mention Devine and Lewis have posted better numbers against tougher run defenses than Ingram?

Ingram, who has eight rushing TDs, is averaging 6.56 yards per carry. Devine, with 10 rushing TDs, is averaging 6.66 yards per carry. Lewis, with 11 rushing TDs, is averaging 5.56 yards per carry.

The average ranking of the opposing rush defenses Alabama has faced this season is 78th out of 120, compared to West Virginia's opponents (57th) and Pittsburgh's opponents (50th).

Ingram has faced only one Top 50 rush defense (Tennessee, 33rd), while Devine has faced three (Syracuse, 6th; East Carolina, 29th; and UConn, 50th) and Lewis four (N.C. State, 13th; Rutgers, 27th; Navy, 42nd; and UConn, 50th).

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TheIronColonel;1576716; said:
"Just because there are more outstanding players than XXX doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to win."


Oh wait, yes, it does. If a guy sucks out loud this year, then he shouldn't get the trophy. I'd be upset if the trophy hadn't been a complete joke for years. Good players win it, but you can be certain that, more often than not, there's someone more deserving out there.
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All true, but it won't stop them from saying crap like that anyway...

5. Tim Tebow, Florida: Tebow remains on the list because he, as of this writing, continues to be Tim Tebow. Despite his struggles, and Florida's red zone woes in recent games, how much the Gators achieve this season ultimately rests on No. 15's shoulders.
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Brilliant. With an argument like that why don't we just rename it the Tebow Award?
 
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Stewart Mandel joins the crowd beating the Tebow-doesn't-deserve-it drum. Obviously I believe this, as I've been saying it for a couple of weeks, but I wonder if there would be this many folks saying it if Tebow hadn't jilted the media after the Miss St. game.

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Aren't you being a bit harsh on Tim Tebow? After all, Dan Mullen was his coach and mentor for the past three years and was very familiar with all the nuances of the Florida offensive scheme and Tebow's own tendencies. Can't you instead credit Mullen's absence for Tebow's frustration?
-- Bill Schultz, Overland Park, Kan.

Let me be clear. I don't believe Tebow has suddenly morphed into a crappy quarterback. My only contention is that he should not currently be mentioned as a Heisman candidate for this season.

While Tebow's yardage production (232.1 per game) hasn't dropped all that much from last season (244.2), in SEC play he's thrown just three touchdowns while committing six turnovers. As is usually the case with quarterbacks, it's not all on him, and I could list any number of contributing factors. His offensive line has played poorly. His inexperienced receiving corps is decidedly average. Florida's play-calling, particularly in the red zone (where the Gators are struggling miserably), has been extremely questionable. And let's not forget the elephant in the room: that concussion. While Florida's medical staff has deemed it safe for him to play, he could still be suffering after-effects.

At the end of the day, Florida is still 7-0 with plenty of time to work out its kinks. Tebow may well turn up his game another notch over the stretch run. What bothers me, however, is that much of the media is essentially holding open a spot for him in New York, regardless of his actual production to date. At this point, any Heisman voter/watcher who still has Tebow in his top five (and apparently, there are plenty who still do) is plain being lazy, because there are any number of players around the country who have been much more "outstanding" (the defining criteria of the award) this season
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jimotis4heisman;1582557; said:
i looked at that guys picture, concluded he was a moron, then i looked at his listed and my assumption was affirmed....
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Hmm, I think you just described most Heisman voters.

I don't have much of a problem with that list. Golden Tate would be my #1 candidate at this point though. He's been amazing. I really thought he'd drop off without Floyd.
 
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OregonBuckeye;1582559; said:
Hmm, I think you just described most Heisman voters.

I don't have much of a problem with that list. Golden Tate would be my #1 candidate at this point though. He's been amazing. I really thought he'd drop off without Floyd.
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I agree, Golden Tate is the reason why Clausen gets all the hype...the guy just makes plays.

My top 5 would be as follows...

#1 Mark Ingram
#2 Golden Tate
#3 Case Keenum
#4 Colt McCoy
#5 Tim Tebow
 
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Since Heisman voting is a joke anyways, and subjectively influenced by whatever bits of the games the voters remember, perhaps someone should tell them that if we use computers in the BCS maybe the machines can cast votes for the Heisman as well. The robots would probably support Case Keenum on grounds of general video-game-like statistics.
 
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