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jwinslow;1446190; said:
You make an excellent point with the recruiting classes.
I'm not sure if people actually try to think when it comes to this topic. OSU was loaded on Offense in 2006, but they still had to replace, what, 8 defensive starters? Now the schedule didn't appear to be quite as good as once thought, but it was still pretty good.
In 2007, who expected OSU to be there at the end of the season? That, imo, was a great coaching job by Tressel. Even though it was a relatively easy schedule, you still don't usually see that happen. They lost to a very talented LSU team with 2 top 10 picks at DL and a very good OL. Who beats that LSU team at full strength? Maybe USC? But not with Booty I don't think.
It's not like that 2007 team was absolutely loaded or something. Yes you had a great player in Wells and some great D players but team started 3 sophomores in the secondary, a few at DL, and had basically no depth at DL. There were two seniors starting and no 3rd WR that was that reliable. So it's not quite as easy as it seems.
Then come this season and you lose your best player by far on a team that couldn't afford any more psychological problems since they've already had the big game problem hung around their neck for 2 years, and the old problems of Boeckman and the OL resurface and the DL has not made the jumps needed for the D to carry the team. It was the equivalent of Florida/Texas/Okie losing their QB a.k.a. the player that their entire damn system was designed for.
I don't want to make too many excuses for Tressel or seem like an apologist, but he hasn't had it quite as easy as some think. Many don't want to hear it, but he's had some bad luck the past couple of seasons (IMO).
Of course there are numerous things he could do better and hopefully he'll continue to improve as a coach. I know the bowl loses are tough to deal with. It sucks. But I'm not sure what people expect sometimes. Who else would you take at coach? Carroll and Meyer probably or Mack. Those are probably the only coaches I think you can say are ahead of Tressel. You just take the good with the bad.
Even though it's not going to happen, I would just love to see Tressel pull off the reverse of 06 and beat Florida in the NC game and see what people say. All a sudden Tressel will have gained 100 IQ points somehow and become a better coach overnight.
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Rookie
Everybody's a critic
ESPN did a College Football Live focused on Big Ten Football this afternoon. One of the topics was, "Reason's for apparent lack of Big Ten skill." I'm utterly sickened. Their response to this perception, "Lack the depth, and the speed of those who are in the south in warmer climates." Their argument: Lost 6 straight BCS bowl games, 1-6 in bowl games last season, and 44-54 vs power conference teams last 5 seasons (including bowls).
Any arguments?
Any arguments?
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Rookie;1462726; said:
so the ACC is 2-9 in BCS bowl games all time (while the big 10 is 8-11), but does ESPN ever rag on them?
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The funny part is the SEC hype went through the roof after beating ND, Hawaii & OSU x2, teams who were determined to be complete frauds. It was a truly remarkable PR feat.
The real irony, however, is that SEC fans (gators in particular) cried out against the biased media pimping the big ten on ESPN, only to be answered with years worth of hyperbole in their favor and ESPN paying huge dollars to have the rights to do so.
The real irony, however, is that SEC fans (gators in particular) cried out against the biased media pimping the big ten on ESPN, only to be answered with years worth of hyperbole in their favor and ESPN paying huge dollars to have the rights to do so.
Lane & Nick seem to be treating this challenge as their mission in life.
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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
jwinslow;1462782; said:
I disagree with tOSU being a complete fraud both years. Hawaii and ND, OK. I think the Bucks were shown to be outclassed by the UF D line in 06, but that was a pretty good bunch. And the LSU game could have been different if not for a really good play by an LSU DB that prevented a Buckeye score and kept the "pucker factor" from coming seriously into play - like it can when the lead gets big and the team down tries too hard.
And I do not think that the 5-0 BCSCG stat is impacted by your ND and Hawaii comment.
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I don't agree with it either, but that's how they're viewed now.
The first SEC title obviously counts, but it has little relevance to the league in 2006. I just always find it interesting how greatness was established against such disrespected ballclubs.
The first SEC title obviously counts, but it has little relevance to the league in 2006. I just always find it interesting how greatness was established against such disrespected ballclubs.
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Buckeneye
I lead, you follow.
Gatorubet;1462811; said:I disagree with tOSU being a complete fraud both years. Hawaii and ND, OK. I think the Bucks were shown to be outclassed by the UF D line in 06, but that was a pretty good bunch. And the LSU game could have been different if not for a really good play by an LSU DB that prevented a Buckeye score and kept the "pucker factor" from coming seriously into play - like it can when the lead gets big and the team down tries too hard.
And I do not think that the 5-0 BCSCG stat is impacted by your ND and Hawaii comment.
It wasn't necessarily LSU's play, so much as (a lack) of our own.
Poor tackling, and dumb penalties really hurt.
Same for the UF game, the 2007 LSU Dline imo was far better than the 2006 UF line, yet we were able to manage far better in the trenches the second time around with many of the starters from the previous year.
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
Buckeneye;1463197; said:
i wouldn't go so far as to say lsu's dline was significantly better than 06 florida. i would make the arguement that our line simply was better in 07 than it was in 06. ultimately however they were outclassed by the dline in both games.
06 tOSU was essentially every "good" texas tech team college football has ever seen. we were all offense and very little defense. our defensive stats looked so pretty not because of a dominant d, but because of our offense. we generally scored early and often on every opponent we faced allowing the d to line up against an offense that after the first 5 min was playing one dimensional. the first time we ran into a d that could hang with our offense.... the game went the same way every similar game goes for texas tech. we lost 9 starters to the nfl in 05 including 3 in the first round. if that wasn't bad enough our best safety was out with a torn acl. young and injured is a [censored] poor mix. certainly can't forget the heisman curse.
07 was certainly an interesting year. i can't think of another season that unfolded in a similar fashion. if im remembering correctly the only way tOSU made it to the nc was 6 top 5 teams lost in the last 2 weeks of the season. no other year does tOSU loose its second to last game of the year and still go to the nc. not sure if people remember this or not. but tOSU was supposed to finish THIRD in the big 10. not in the country, in their conference. tOSU overacheived in a big way that year. their reward? a finally healthy lsu who was head and shoulders the best team in the nation. if there was a bright side to that game, lsu didn't win because of talent. they won because of experience. when the ball bounced tOSU's way lsu didn't break. but when the ball bounced lsu's.... tOSU crumbled. i can't help but think to lsu's first drive of the second half. we shut them down not once but twice on the same drive. a roughing the kicker and then a personal foul unsportsman like conduct on a 3rd and 26 incomplete pass... home field advantage certainly doesn't hurt either. what we lost in 05 on defense, we lost as much on offense in 06. if i remember correctly we lost 97% of our offensive production from 06 to 07.
06 and 07 are products of recruiting classes being off by 1 year. 06 tedd ginn, troy smith, antonio pittman, anthony gonzalez, malcom jenkins, james laurinaitis completemented by 05 nate salley, donte whitner, ashton youboty, aj hawk, bobby carpenter, santonio holmes... so close and yet so very... very far away.
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LSU had two top-5 picks on that line, and another which had top-10 talent but wasted it with off-field discretions.martinss01;1464967; said:
OSU could run the ball on UF's undersized line. Beanie busted a few runs, but for the most part, it was tough sledding against LSU's monstrous DL.
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BB73;1474400; said:
Destin is just down the road from here...
Only Dennis Dodd could fail to get laid in Destin.
Random Thought: I should go to Destin more often.
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