2009 Big Ten Football Discussion

[jwinslow]

I'm not saying this list is correct or anything because I don't think it is. However, you could make a claim the Tressel is further down the list because he has the best talent in the conference and despite being able to win in a very down Big10 conference, what else has he done?

The hyperbole that has engulfed b10 discussions around the country, and on UM boards to downgrade OSU's success, is simply remarkable. Let's hope thinly veiled shots like these are the exception to the norm, fla.

He's been bringing in top 10 talent every year, but what does he have to show for it? One MNC with players he inherited? Two other MNC game appearances where his team forgot to show up?

Michigan had just as much incoming talent, and it's horseradish to try and revise history because the last few seasons haven't been good. The big ten was quite strong in 02, 03 & 05, and pretty good in 06.

If we're making this about talent, then the LSU game went exactly as it should have gone. There was no comparison between the talent on the two rosters, in particular the senior classes facing off. One was a top-2 class, the other barely cracked the top-25 before it lost most of it to attrition.

I don't agree with the list, but I, at least, can see where the author was coming from.

Somehow you conveniently forgot to apply your rather harsh standards to other members of that list... like say, the top ranked person.

5, 7 & 6 loss seasons are terrible performances, even with Iowa talent. What makes it worse is it came on the heels of a top-10 recruiting class. One 9-3 campaign where they didn't play OSU or Michigan does not change that.

 

[BayBuck]

I'm not saying this list is correct or anything because I don't think it is. However, you could make a claim the Tressel is further down the list because he has the best talent in the conference and despite being able to win in a very down Big10 conference, what else has he done? He's been bringing in top 10 talent every year, but what does he have to show for it? One MNC with players he inherited? Two other MNC game appearances where his team forgot to show up? I don't agree with the list, but I, at least, can see where the author was coming from.

Recruiting is a part of coaching. Tressel brings in the best talent in the conference and is more successful in the conference than any other coach now--that makes him the best coach in the conference, period.

 

[3074326]

Why is Kirk Ferentz so highly regarded? I never understood this.

I kind of understand why Rodriguez would be ranked higher (not higher than Tressel), but it still doesn't make any sense. Ranking Big 10 coaches should be based on what they've done in the Big 10 IMO. The Big 10 is not the Big East.

 

[Gatorubet]

You are almost as fucking stupid as the article's author.

Please excuse Mili's tone.

When he was a little boy his mom had his palm read by a fortune teller. She told her, "Your son will always be the lookout at any gang bang."

He's been truculent ever since.

 

[Best Buckeye]

Why is Kirk Ferentz so highly regarded? I never understood this.

I kind of understand why Rodriguez would be ranked higher (not higher than Tressel), but it still doesn't make any sense. Ranking Big 10 coaches should be based on what they've done in the Big 10 IMO. The Big 10 is not the Big East.

Ty Willingham vouched for him.

 

[3074326]

Ty Willingham vouched for him.

That explains it. He deserves that #1 spot, then.

 

[bkochmc]

I'm not saying this list is correct or anything because I don't think it is. However, you could make a claim the Tressel is further down the list because he has the best talent in the conference and despite being able to win in a very down Big10 conference, what else has he done? He's been bringing in top 10 talent every year, but what does he have to show for it? One MNC with players he inherited? Two other MNC game appearances where his team forgot to show up? I don't agree with the list, but I, at least, can see where the author was coming from.

On the other hand Tressel should be ranked higher because he brings in the most talent,has the most conference titles in the past 10 years, and has been the conference's only coach to win a MNC... even if he won it "with players he inherited" (silly argument BTW... Cooper had better talent in the 90's and could never finish the job, but that's another discussion). The conference being down or not is of no consequence... the article is ranking the conference's coaches. If the conference is down and Tressel is dominating that doesn't say much for the other coaches.

As for the rankings themselves (not that they are worth anything) Ferencz has done little and RR has done nothing to prove they are better coaches than Tressel... and Paterno for that matter. BTW, I am discounting what RR did in West Virginia because the "author" discounts what all other coaches did prior to their current stint. Only in-conference experience is considered.

 

[martinss01]

You realize that tOSU loses like 12 starters, right? And PSU 13...

a very valid point. however, we're not loosing entire units. loosing your back 4 especially with the losses on the dline is huge. for us loosing 2 lb's is an issue. while we have (imo) superior talent to fill, its young talent. however, that young talent can be protected by the dline that returns largely intact. while we loose 2 in the back 4 we return 3. sounds like poor math skills i know, but we lost our #1 and #3 cb's. its easier to replace your #1 cb if #2 is still around, you have both your safeties back and your d line is intact to help protect the new guy. im not certain psu can make the same claims.

Iowa's Kirk Ferentz?outranks?Rich Rodriguez as top?Big?Ten?coach - NCAA Football - SI.com



Wow, just wow...good to see the Ferentz love is back in full swing after a decent season.

reading that gave me brain cancer.

how the hell does he get a free pass on 3-9? in what world is that acceptable? its not like the cupboards were that bare. at the very least that was a 7-5 season with that schedule and level of talent. its not like they played usc 9 times...

I'm not saying this list is correct or anything because I don't think it is. However, you could make a claim the Tressel is further down the list because he has the best talent in the conference and despite being able to win in a very down Big10 conference, what else has he done? He's been bringing in top 10 talent every year, but what does he have to show for it? One MNC with players he inherited? Two other MNC game appearances where his team forgot to show up? I don't agree with the list, but I, at least, can see where the author was coming from.

the thing i find amusing here is that people call 1 nc victory 2 nc losses 4 straight conference titles with 6 conference titles in 10 years a failure.

if that is the definition of failure in the college football world, are there any teams who have been successful over the last 10 years? if so, can anyone please explain to me the system of measure?

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Chris Fowler and Todd Blackledge said Penn State is the team to beat in the Big-10. Don't really understand the Penn State love. They lose a ton, more than us, and they don't rebuild as quickly as us. Whatever, we'll get a chance to prove who's better on the field.

 

[Best Buckeye]

Chris Fowler and Todd Blackledge said Penn State is the team to beat in the Big-10. Don't really understand the Penn State love. They lose a ton, more than us, and they don't rebuild as quickly as us. Whatever, we'll get a chance to prove who's better on the field.

nice gut Oregon.

The champ is always the champ unyil they are beaten. as you say we will have our chance on the field.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

nice gut Oregon.

The champ is always the champ unyil they are beaten. as you say we will have our chance on the field.

So why are they saying Penn State is the team to beat?

 

[BB73]

A brief look at each team's spring game.

CFN

Michigan
April 11 - Tate Forcier might not have looked like an All-American after one spring game, but the true freshman was fine in the starting quarterback role. He ran well, threw well on the move, and appeared to be more comfortable than any of last year's Wolverine quarterbacks. However, he was inconsistent throwing the ball and the defense was sitting a slew of key players, but Forcier was still a big positive for a crowd starved for decent quarterback play. RB Carlos Brown also got everyone buzzing with an impressive 80-yard touchdown dash.

Ohio State
April 25 - Almost 96,000 fans watched the Gray team beat the Scarlet 23-3 with Terrelle Pryor completing 13-of-18 passes for 191 yards and two touchdowns with Taurian Washington catching four balls for 92 yards and a 44-yard score and Ray Small making four grabs for 74 yards and a 42-yard touchdown. Trying to make a push for the starting running back job was Marcus Williams, who ran six times for 94 yards, highlighted by a 75-yard tear, and Brandon Saine, who ran six times for 55 yards. Backup QB Joe Bauserman struggled completing just 10-of-21 passes for 119 yards and an interception. Sophomore LB Brian Rolle led all defenders with 11 tackles with a sack.

Penn State
April 25 - Almost 77,000 fans showed up to see the Blue team beat the White 21-16 with Mathew McGloin completing 9-of-13 passes for 111 yards and two touchdowns while running for 28 yards in a losing cause. Starter Daryll Clark was in midseason form completing 10-of-13 passes for 123 yards in his few drives of action for the Blue side. In the hunt for replacements for all the lost receiver stars, Zug Graham led the way catching four passes for 62 yards and a score. White team LB Michael Zordich led all tacklers with six stops, while Sean Lee, the All-America linebacker who's trying to come back from a knee injury, didn't play.

Cont'd ...

 

[schwab]

IU gives Kellen Lewis the boot.

 

[NFBuck]

IU gives Kellen Lewis the boot.

Talk about a fall from grace...

 

[Taosman]

Hey, at least IU did the right thing! If he was at State Penn he'd just get 12 more months of Probation.
16 school records. Second team All Big Ten.