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2009 Big Ten Football Discussion

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CFN spent some time putting together a schedule where all teams play 10 conference games. It won't happen, since it would cost the conference several home games, but it's something to talk about in the offseason.

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I'm not a fan of opening the season with a conference game. He's right that the schedule should be fixed (although the economic reality of needing the extra home game for the money is a strong argument), but he was handicapped by keeping most of this year's schedule in tact. In an ideal world we'd get the whole schedule sorted out to keep the conference games in their rightful place - in the back end of the schedule.
 
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bkochmc;1445937; said:
RR ranked above Tressel? Really? I guess Tress better start losing games to climb this list.

Eh, I'll just take Tress getting this team ready for another Big Ten championship run instead. RR and Ferentz can keep their media love and subsequent season implosion.
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I'm not saying this list is correct or anything because I don't think it is. However, you could make a claim the Tressel is further down the list because he has the best talent in the conference and despite being able to win in a very down Big10 conference, what else has he done? He's been bringing in top 10 talent every year, but what does he have to show for it? One MNC with players he inherited? Two other MNC game appearances where his team forgot to show up? I don't agree with the list, but I, at least, can see where the author was coming from.
 
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blueinfla;1446068; said:
I'm not saying this list is correct or anything because I don't think it is. However, you could make a claim the Tressel is further down the list because he has the best talent in the conference and despite being able to win in a very down Big10 conference, what else has he done? He's been bringing in top 10 talent every year, but what does he have to show for it? One MNC with players he inherited? Two other MNC game appearances where his team forgot to show up? I don't agree with the list, but I, at least, can see where the author was coming from.
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So he's won (at least a share of) the conference title four years running and five in eight years, yet he's third best? Sorry, doesn't wash at all. By definition, that makes him the best in the conference. The grief we get for the 2nd BCSCG loss is BS, that was a reloaded team and the mere fact that JT got that team that far is a testiment to his coaching abilities. That is always conveniently overlooked. Ferentz may warrant top four or five consideration for his overall resume by doing more with less, but DR took a team of highly rated recruits and drove them into the ground with a 3-9 record. I don't give a damn about his domination of a weakened Big East. He hasn't done shit to warrant inclusion with names like Tressel and Paterno, yet alone be above them. His whole resume was built on dominating a weak conference for three years after the big boys left for the ACC. Even then, he lost to the conferences lone legit defense.

List of B-10 coaches I'd rather have coaching at tOSU than DickRod:
- Tressel (duh)
- Ferentz
- Paterno (with a succession plan and his assistants)
- Brewster
- Dantonio
- Fitzgerald

Buckeye86;1446082; said:
so has Michigan, but Rodriguez gets a free pass because he's too fucking stupid to utilize the talent that he had?
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All he knows is the spread, he said so.
 
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blueinfla;1446068; said:
I'mHowever, you could make a claim the Tressel is further down the list because he has the best talent in the conference and despite being able to win in a very down Big10 conference, what else has he done?
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It's a listing of the best coach in the Big Ten, and you want to discount Tressel as the best coach in the Big Ten when he's won or shared the past four conference championships?

You can't make a legimate claim for anyone else in the conference outside of maybe Paterno (But I wouldn't because he's little more than a figurehead). What exactly has RR done? 3-9, all the while coaching a team with 4 consecutive top 15 recruiting classes (Including 1 top 5 and 2 top 10). Ferentz? 28-22 the past four years and has finished no better than in a tie for 3rd in the conference over that span. Before that he had a legimate claim to make with JT but you can't have that streak.

He's been bringing in top 10 talent every year, but what does he have to show for it? One MNC with players he inherited? Two other MNC game appearances where his team forgot to show up? I don't agree with the list, but I, at least, can see where the author was coming from.
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Okay, let's start with the 2004 season, which was when the majority of starters and the majority of the 2 deep was filled with Tressel's players,

2004: 8-4 (4-4), Alamo Bowl win 33-7 over Oklahoma State, Beat Michigan (Final Ranking: Coaches - 19, AP - 20)
2005: 10-2 (7-1), Co-Conference Champions, Beat Michigan, 34-21 Fiesta Bowl win over Notre Dame (Final Ranking: Coaches - 4, AP - 4)
2006: 12-1 (8-0), Outright Conference Champions, Beat Michigan, #1 throughout the regular season, national championship appearance (Despite replacing 9 starters on defense), Heisman Trophy Winner (Final Ranking: Coaches - 2, AP - 2)
2007: 11-2 (7-1), Outright Conference Champions, Beat Michigan, National Championship appearance (Despite replacing 8 starters on offense)(Final Ranking: Coaches - 4, AP - 5)
2008: 10-3 (7-1), Co-Conference Champions, Beat Michigan, BCS Bowl appearance (Final Ranking: Coaches - 11, AP - 9)

Let me know when any other coach in the conference goes 51-12 (33-7), appears in four consecutive BCS Bowl games (Including two national championships), finishes in the top 5 for three consecutive years (And a top 10 finish after that), coaches a Heisman Trophy winner, and wins four consecutive Big Ten Championships.
 
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blueinfla;1446068; said:
I'm not saying this list is correct or anything because I don't think it is. However, you could make a claim the Tressel is further down the list because he has the best talent in the conference and despite being able to win in a very down Big10 conference, what else has he done? He's been bringing in top 10 talent every year, but what does he have to show for it? One MNC with players he inherited? Two other MNC game appearances where his team forgot to show up? I don't agree with the list, but I, at least, can see where the author was coming from.
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You're overlooking the fact that many of JT's most heralded players were not big prospects out of HS. In the last few years, we've seen our players win the Heisman, Thorpe, Lott, Butkus, Nagurski, Lombardi, Groza, and Guy awards, and I don't think one of them was rated higher than 3 stars when they signed their LOI. Sure, we get our Beanies and Teddy Ginns, but there have been nearly as many 5 star guys who didn't pan out, for one reason or another. Just because OSU has more players drafted than other schools doesn't mean that they had a talent advantage from the first day of camp. When a player goes from being a light/medium recruited prospect to one of the best players at his position in 3-4 years, it shows an amazing amount of character and dedication on his part. When a program produces one of those players nearly every year, you can bet there's some damn good coaching going on.

Oh, and what has JT done with all the top 10 talent he recruits? How about finishing in the top 10 nearly every year? What have Mack Brown, Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, and Les Miles do with all their top 10 talent? Almost exactly what JT did. So, JT hasn't done what only Urban Meyer has managed to do, and that makes him less of a coach than Ferentz and Rodriguez? Give me a break. What did Lloyd Carr do with all the top 10 classes he had? Not much after JT came to town.
 
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blueinfla;1446068; said:
I'm not saying this list is correct or anything because I don't think it is. However, you could make a claim the Tressel is further down the list because he has the best talent in the conference and despite being able to win in a very down Big10 conference, what else has he done? He's been bringing in top 10 talent every year, but what does he have to show for it? One MNC with players he inherited? Two other MNC game appearances where his team forgot to show up? I don't agree with the list, but I, at least, can see where the author was coming from.
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You are almost as fucking stupid as the article's author. First, you have to be a world-class recruiter to consistently bring in the talent he does. Second, his results dwarf that of any other coach in the conference and most of those outside the conference: Six BCS bowls (3-3), three NC games (one NC), five conference titles (four straight), set conference record with 20-game conference win streak, will likely tie and possibly break record for conference road wins this season, etc. He recognizes and develops overlooked 3-stars into world-class players (Hawk, Holmes, Laurinaitis, Jenkins). By the way, it's tougher to win with players you "inherit" than it is with your "own".
 
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