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2009 Big Ten Football Discussion

sflbuck;1413836; said:
I am with you on this one OR. It's not just that they lost starters, its the fact that the starters that they lost combine in such a way that the remaining units will be even weaker.

On defense, they lose their entire secondary and although some of the expected replacements have talent (Wallace as an example) none were able to replace anyone in a 2008 secondary that was very average. (Anyone that wants to agrue that should rewatch the Rose Bowl). One way to protect a young secondary is with an agressive Pass Rush. Except they have also lost their two best edge rushers.

On offense, they lose all three starters at WR and with these positions they don't even look to have really otstanding replacements. So they focus on the run with Royster and a athletic Clark. Except they also lose 3 of 5 on the OL including their best player there in Shipley.

They do get us in HV at night and this year it later the usual so they have time to find some answer, but right we should be better and they may lose a game or two earlier in the year.

Well look at what we return as far as "starters":

QB (Daryll Clark, Newsome - early enrollee)
RB(s) (Evan Royster & Stephfon Green)
TE (both Andrew Quarless & Mickey Shuler)
OT (RT Dennis Landolt)
C/OG (Stefen Wisniewski - at center right now)

6'6 230 QB converted to WR, Brett Brackett, has been playing for two years now. Graham Zug got PT and could be decent in the intermediate passing game. We also have two other TEs, former 4* recruit Mark Wedderburn (6'6 230) & Andrew Szczerba (DE GPOTY - 6'6 265).

All of the offensive lineman vying for the opening guard spots are physical specimens, and 5 or 6 of the OL vying for LT, LG, RG were rivals 100, rivals 250 and/or 4* recruits. RS JR OG Lou Eliades, RS FR C/OG Matt Stankiewitch, true sophomore LT DeOn'Tae Pannell, RS SO OG JB Walton, RS SO OG Johnnie Troutman (dropped due to injury in H.S., greyshirted prior to PSU enrollment). WR is where we are in some trouble, hopefully a freshmen or two can make limited contributions, and one of 6'4 RS FR AJ Price, 6'5 RS SO Derek Moye, and 6'1 RS SO Chaz Powell step up.

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LB (Navarro Bowman - stud, Sean Lee - stud, Josh Hull)
DT (Jared Odrick - stud, Ollie Ogbu, Abe Koroma)

We'll also have 6'2 255 RS SR DE Jerome Hayes back after back-to-back ACL surgeries in 2 seasons, one on each knee. 6'5 260 true freshmen DE Jack Crawford played well last year. 6'6 260 greyshirt/RS SO DE Eric Latimore is finally healthy after surgery on both shoulders and is rounding into form. Kevion Latham is more of a tweener at 6'2 245 but he can do some things...there are a # of things we could do, including knocking Bowman down to stand-up DE at times just to allow him the opportunity to attack, which could get a LB combo of Lee-Mauti-Stupar on the field at times.

Not only do all three DT cogs return, but former highly touted DL Devon Still is actually healthy (so far...knock on wood) and he wasn't as a true freshmen or RS freshmen, this will be his first year starting the season without a season-ending injury. RS FR Brandon Ware is 6'4 340, down from 365-270 and may very well play in the rotation as well.

Michael Mauti and/or Nathan Stupar joining Bowman & Lee as the starting 3 is such an improvement physically over Bowman/Hull/Sales it isn't even funny.

AJ Wallace was a 5* recruit that has never put it together at CB, but he'll need to do so now as a true senior. true sophomore D'Anton Lynn had offers from USC, tOSU, Florida, Oklahoma, (etc.) and will likely start opposite...with Knowledge Timmons and a bunch of incoming freshman rounding out the depth. true freshmen early enrollee Gerald Hodges is an absolute monster at 6'3 220 (+), and may very well end up being the starter at Rubin's S position this year...if not 6'3 200 RS SO Nick Sukay could be the one after foot surgery last season.

Massilion (sp?) LB/S Andrew Dailey is getting a look at that S position as well, because it is more run support and he has tremendous lateral quickness and agility...WE SHALL SEE. I think PSU will surprise, it is easy to write PSU off after back-to-back seasons with Anthony Morelli at QB, but let's see what PSU does with Daryll Clark at QB for consecutive years. I didn't see Clark throw into coverage save 3-5 times all year, as a first year starter...Morelli threw into double/sometimes triple coverage even as a second year starter at QB.
 
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I don't think anyone is doubting Clark, but you lost your top 3 receivers a most of your offensive line. That's a tough row to hoe. I also think it's disingenuous to say Newsome is "returning", even if he has enrolled early. I don't see him having much of an impact on the offense this year, either, but I've been wrong before. Right now, I peg PSU at about 9-10 wins. It could easily be fewer, but I don't think they'll do any better.
 
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TheIronColonel;1439495; said:
I don't think anyone is doubting Clark, but you lost your top 3 receivers a most of your offensive line. That's a tough row to hoe. I also think it's disingenuous to say Newsome is "returning", even if he has enrolled early. I don't see him having much of an impact on the offense this year, either, but I've been wrong before. Right now, I peg PSU at about 9-10 wins. It could easily be fewer, but I don't think they'll do any better.

The Lions will be mediocre, of that I'm sure. The real question is, other than tOSU, who will put more talent on the field?

Indiana? Now they can't even say 'Wait 'til basketball season.
Iowa? Fading fast it seems
Illinois? Sheesh, hard to say where Zook is taking that program.
TSUN? Not likely. Those who stay?
MSU? Maybe they have more talent...could be a #2 in the conference.
Minny? Not very good...yet. Will they ever be?
NW? Who knows. They won't field more talent, but maybe Fitzgerald can make it work.
Wiscy - They always seem to field a solid, unremarkable team. Perhaps better than PSU.
Purdue? Purdon't.
 
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matcar;1441124; said:
The Lions will be mediocre, of that I'm sure. The real question is, other than tOSU, who will put more talent on the field?

Indiana? Now they can't even say 'Wait 'til basketball season.
Iowa? Fading fast it seems
Illinois? Sheesh, hard to say where Zook is taking that program.
TSUN? Not likely. Those who stay?
MSU? Maybe they have more talent...could be a #2 in the conference.
Minny? Not very good...yet. Will they ever be?
NW? Who knows. They won't field more talent, but maybe Fitzgerald can make it work.
Wiscy - They always seem to field a solid, unremarkable team. Perhaps better than PSU.
Purdue? Purdon't.

You realize that tOSU loses like 12 starters, right? And PSU 13...

tOSU returns a true sophomore QB, PSU returns a 5th year RS senior QB.
tOSU loses Beanie Wells, PSU returns Evan Royster & Stephfon Green

Plus your offensive identity under Pryor has yet to be formed. PLUS I'm sure it would be easy for Wisconsin to be better then PSU, especially since they DON'T have to play us. Look at tOSU vs. Wisconsin, and PSU vs. Wisconsin. PSU has BLOWN THE DOORS OFF OF WISCONSIN 3 of the past 4 seasons.
 
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PennState;1442805; said:
You realize that tOSU loses like 12 starters, right? And PSU 13...

tOSU returns a true sophomore QB, PSU returns a 5th year RS senior QB.
tOSU loses Beanie Wells, PSU returns Evan Royster & Stephfon Green

Plus your offensive identity under Pryor has yet to be formed. PLUS I'm sure it would be easy for Wisconsin to be better then PSU, especially since they DON'T have to play us. Look at tOSU vs. Wisconsin, and PSU vs. Wisconsin. PSU has BLOWN THE DOORS OFF OF WISCONSIN 3 of the past 4 seasons.

Ummm...yeah. But they're tOSU, and you are just Penn State.

What to do about that?:biggrin:

:oh:
 
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matcar;1441124; said:
The Lions will be mediocre, of that I'm sure. The real question is, other than tOSU, who will put more talent on the field?

Indiana? Now they can't even say 'Wait 'til basketball season.
Iowa? Fading fast it seems
Illinois? Sheesh, hard to say where Zook is taking that program.
TSUN? Not likely. Those who stay?
MSU? Maybe they have more talent...could be a #2 in the conference.
Minny? Not very good...yet. Will they ever be?
NW? Who knows. They won't field more talent, but maybe Fitzgerald can make it work.
Wiscy - They always seem to field a solid, unremarkable team. Perhaps better than PSU.
Purdue? Purdon't.
They don't. Not even close.
 
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PennState;1442805; said:
You realize that tOSU loses like 12 starters, right? And PSU 13...

tOSU returns a true sophomore QB, PSU returns a 5th year RS senior QB.
tOSU loses Beanie Wells, PSU returns Evan Royster & Stephfon Green

Plus your offensive identity under Pryor has yet to be formed. PLUS I'm sure it would be easy for Wisconsin to be better then PSU, especially since they DON'T have to play us. Look at tOSU vs. Wisconsin, and PSU vs. Wisconsin. PSU has BLOWN THE DOORS OFF OF WISCONSIN 3 of the past 4 seasons.

I've got a pretty good handle on the starters tOSU lost and how many PSU lost. I've also got a pretty good handle on the talent being brought in. The new influx of talent at PSU is not on par with tOSU.

As for Wiscy, I've never thought they had great talent, they just manage to somehow win games. I doubt their talent is superior to PSU, but their win % somehow is on par with PSU over the past several years.

Point is, PSU is a weak kitty, but I don't have a great deal of confidence in anyone else in the B10 at the moment so they could win a few simply because the conference appears headed in the wrong direction this year. Only tOSU is stockpiling talent at a high level.
 
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The composite schedule for the Big Ten.

CFN

Top Ten Big
Ten Games
1. Ohio State at Penn State, Nov. 7
2. Penn State at Michigan State, Nov. 21
3. Ohio State at Michigan, Nov. 21
4. Iowa at Ohio State, Nov. 14
5. Wisconsin at Ohio State, Oct. 10
6. Iowa at Michigan State, Oct. 24
7. Iowa at Penn State, Sept. 26
8. Penn State at Illinois, Oct. 3
9. Iowa at Wisconsin, Oct. 17
10. Illinois at Ohio State, Sept. 26


Top Ten
Non-Conference
Games
1. USC at Ohio State, Sept. 12
2. Michigan State at Notre Dame, Sept. 19
3. Illinois vs. Missouri, Sept. 5
4. Notre Dame at Michigan, Sept. 12
5. Illinois at Cincinnati, Nov. 28
6. Arizona at Iowa, Sept. 19
7. California at Minnesota, Sept. 19
8. Fresno State at Wisconsin, Sept. 12
9. Navy at Ohio State, Sept. 5
10. Wisconsin at Hawaii, Dec. 5
 
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A brief look at each team's schedule.

CFN

[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]Ohio State Buckeye[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]s[/FONT][/FONT]

Realistic best case record with this schedule: 12-0
Barring total disaster worst case record: 7-5
Realistic record: 9-3

Non-Conference Schedule: Navy, USC, at Toledo, New Mexico State
Big Ten Teams Missed: Michigan State, Northwestern

Summary: The last thing a team with so many new defensive starters needs is to deal with Navy in the opener, and worse yet, everyone will be looking ahead to the showdown against USC. If the Buckeyes can pull off the win that could redefine and turn around the program, it should be smooth sailing until November when the trip to Penn State could turn out to be for the Big Ten title. The other three Big Ten road games are against Indiana, Purdue and Michigan; the three duds of last year. There aren't two road games in a row and playing USC is offset by non-conference dates against Toledo and New Mexico State. While OSU might still be the top dog in the conference, missing Michigan State is a major bonus. Not playing Northwestern isn't a positive.

Sep. 05 Navy
Sep. 12 USC
Sep. 19 Toledo (in Cleveland)
Sep. 26 Illinois
Oct. 03 at Indiana
Oct. 10 Wisconsin
Oct. 17 at Purdue
Oct. 24 Minnesota
Oct. 31 New Mexico State
Nov. 07 at Penn State
Nov. 14 Iowa
Nov. 21 at Michigan
Nov. 28 OPEN DATE



Cont'd ...
 
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Top Ten
Non-Conference
Games
1. USC at Ohio State, Sept. 12
2. Michigan State at Notre Dame, Sept. 19
3. Illinois vs. Missouri, Sept. 5
4. Notre Dame at Michigan, Sept. 12
5. Illinois at Cincinnati, Nov. 28
6. Arizona at Iowa, Sept. 19
7. California at Minnesota, Sept. 19
8. Fresno State at Wisconsin, Sept. 12
9. Navy at Ohio State, Sept. 5
10. Wisconsin at Hawaii, Dec. 5

I see the Lions have loaded up their OOC schedule (Akron, Syracuse, Temple, and E. Illinois).
 
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