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I won a math debate
HailToMichigan;1298918; said:
Illinois upset us, it was our one loss last year, it's hard to say that Zook is a better coach. That being said, 2-5 is cause for concern. Personally, your team this year is starting to lose it's humor value. That being said though, Michigan always has recruiting power. The reality that no one from tsun wants to accept is that DickRod put all his eggs into the Terrell Pryor basket and that kids dressed in Buckeye colors.
It's not that the spread is "his baby" it's that's all he knows how to coach. Any half assed coach could have come and gotten .500 with this team, Lloyd didn't stop recruiting 4 years ago and just leave a stack of scholarships sitting on his desk. I get that the guy is trying to impliment his system, but it's been stated that he doesn't have the players for it right now, so how about a year or two of traditional offense until he can build what he wants? Or is he so stubborn that he refuses to actually make the best with what he has?
Right now, he's got a defense that can't stop, well, anything. An offense that looks like they should be playing football for the special olympics, and no answers to the questions other than "it's the players fault" so I don't get why you're still high on this guy.
If this doesn't turn around in a major way next year then you guys are going to be entering Nebraska territory.
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HailToMichigan;1298918; said:
Wow, okay, maybe the line of reasoning presented wasn't perfect, but surely even you, as Dick's BP public defender, can see the difference in losing to a 9-4 team that would go on to the Rose Bowl and a 1-4 bottom-feeding MAC team...
I also find it striking how Dick seems to be pretty quick to deflect almost all of the blame on the players and takes little to none for himself...yep, still an ass.
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HailToMichigan
Maize and Blue Wahoo
But when Mark Dantonio blames missed tackles and turnovers for his loss this week, that makes him a solid coach who will lead LB to glory.NFBuck;1298999; said:
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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
HailToMichigan;1299061; said:
I can't wait to see if you'll still be referring to MSU as "LB" a week from now...
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HailToMichigan;1299061; said:
I think you've already tried to throw that in my face once and it failed miserably, but way as well keep going to that well when everything else fails.
Also, if Dick did it one week, hey, it happens. Week after week and the Jabba Weis comparisons begin...and they have, in earnest. Without the BCS bowl (or any other for that matter) in year one of course.
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HailToMichigan;1299061; said:
Didn't he just blame the coaching staff as much as anything else?
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Sorry....but I'm not letting you off the hook that easy with Mallet.HTM said:
A 6'6" 250 lb QB running DickRod's queer offense probably wouldn't have worked.
A 6'6" 250 lb 5* #2 ranked QB running an offense that suits him......like you still for some reason claim DickRod can do......would be a hell of a lot better than the shit that's being thrown out on the field for Michigan this year.
So which is it? Either DickRod can't adapt his offense to fit his personnel, or he the big pocket passer would have been a welcome sight for this pathetic offense.
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HINYG8
You never come back from Copperhead Road
HailToMichigan;1298918; said:
At what W-L record do the losses quit being upsets and start to just be losses by a bad team?
The difference between the games you cite in defense of UM is that the team that was upset had a good/great record and the final score was clearly a statistical outlier when looking at the whole season.
I have been reading the UM boards...and your posts here. Taken together I just don't understand how any UM fan can say the following:
A) Losing to Toledo was OK because RR is just getting his scheme in place. Better days are ahead (BS! There is NO excuse for losing to Toledo no matter what offense UM runs, whether you have a new coach, old coach or even no coach! It wasn't even like the game turned on fluke plays...UT just executed better than UM. Lessor talent..better results...I don't care how long RR has been there..I would find that unacceptable as a UM fan. Hell, I am pissed because we keep losing to eventual NC teams. If OSU had lost to Ohio...what would UM fans be saying about OSU?)
B) The team has no talent (BS! As pointed out previously by UM fans every year..UM was recruiting well...I don't know how many posts I had to endure from UM fans spinning their recruiting class as the best in the B10, year after year after year. There may not be NC talent in AA, but there is certainly enough talent there to go better than .500. I know class rankings are not the perfect barometer..but on paper there is certainly some talent in AA..why not game plan for that talent?)
C) I don't see the logic in putting in the spread right now if you can't beat Toledo with it. Why not play to win now...mix in some spread to develop for the future? After all, Threet is not going to be your QB when UM is running the spread well..so why submarine this season? It certainly won't help with recruiting...if RR is such a great coach then he should be able to adapt to suit his roster and move them toward the spread as the season progresses. Instead it is trainwreck... I don't see how the UM nation is possibly defending this year as a building block for the future. Winning is a culture, confidence is critical to performance..why not play to Threet's game, mix in a bit of spread...and be competitive? I think RR has done the program a HUGE dis-service and embarked on a slippery slope by not allowing the team to be more competitive. OSU is 7-1 and disenchanted with the original game plan so much that we are seeing it change from week to week...UM is tanking and apparently content with the game plan. I find that contrast very telling about the state of both programs and just don't understand how anyone can look at what RR has done and be fired up about the future. UM remains a power...but that doesn't mean it can't become the next ND, Nebraska, FSU, or Miami...maybe RR tried to change too much too fast....and I am starting to wonder how long it will take the program to catch up with what the coach has done.
I see UM fans pointing to 2010..if that doesn't happen...do you get rid of RR? Is that the timeline IYO: RR has until 2010 to put UM in the NC discussion or change coaches?
I have a lot of respect for you HTM, and UM...so I apologize if this post has a harsh tone/flame like quality to it..but I have to confess I am baffled by what is happening at UM and I don't see the light that so many UM fans seem excited about. It is difficult to read how awesome RR is while the team continues to struggle. I will say that UM played their best football of the year on Saturday..so maybe they have hit a corner?
We will see against MSU.
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HailToMichigan
Maize and Blue Wahoo
Win or lose, yes, I will. It'll take more than one game to reverse about forty years of dominance.buckeyesin07;1299065; said:
No. RR has adapted his offense to fit his personnel. Again: Run/pass splits. However, I don't see much difference between asking Mallett to run the RR offense and asking RR to coach the pro-style. Why is it assumed that a coach should be able to entirely switch gears and write a completely brand-new playbook that he's never used before otherwise he's a bad coach?
You mean Rodriguez? Yes. After Illinois for example:
Look, you guys are seeing what you want to see here. When we've won he's talked about the players and how proud he is of them and what they did right. When we've lost he's talked about lack of execution. It's just talk. It's not Ralph Friedgen saying, "I wish they were listening to me." It's coachspeak.
HINY:
The game really did turn on some fluke plays. Toledo's touchdown came on a pickoff in the endzone. Not a fluke like a crazy bouncing ball or something, but not what you'd expect. Lopata missed a 26-yard field goal, how often does that happen? It's not "OK", but then again RR was not hired for this year. I'll trade losing to Toledo now if it means we don't have to put up with the slow decline to mediocrity we were experiencing starting around 2004.
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I thought he was the mastermind behind Shaun King. Surely I wasn't misled by the Michigan fans.
There's no reason to ask Mallett to run DickRod's offense.....but here's the thing:
1. Dick Rod runs off Mallett (yes he ran him off. If you think he put any effort into trying to get the kid to stay, you're fooling yourself)
2. The offense is shit with a shitty QB
3. Dick Rod gets a pass because "the cupboard was left bare"?
That's bullshit. The cupboard had a perfectly capable 5* soph QB with starting experience. He probably doesn't lead Michigan to an undefeated season to this point in the year....but he sure as hell would be better than any available option right now.
Sorry....It's a bullshit excuse. The cupboard wasn't bare, the dipshit they chose to hire emptied it out. Fuck him.
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His post pretty clearly addressed a quote about Dantonio, unless you were just looking to ignore that to make some other point.
Really? So you don't expect Threet to make bad decisions as a passer, especially with a pass rush closing in?
I'm not sure what games you have been watching. Sure he makes good throws on occasion, but you're selling a continent-sized lot of swampland here, acting like forced passes into coverage are an abberation for Threet.
Twice a game apparently, except their miss was even closer (basically an extra point).
Except it's about more than just what Michigan brings to the table.
Penn State will have a new regime by then and likely find new life under Schiano, Holtz or someone. Zook's talent at Illinois will be much deeper and experienced by then. Michigan State is bringing in much better talent than usual. Notre Dame looks to be compiling talent that will give UM a serious challenge. Ohio State will be strong as always, but have the elite 08 class as the core of the squad (much like 02 was on a different level than classes since) with Pryor as a veteran.
It's much like the whole S&C craze. Every UM fan is so thrilled to have improvement (or the appearance of it) at Michigan that they lose sight of what everyone around them is doing too. RR may finally have 'his guys' in 2010, but most of the other programs have 5 years worth of their guys by then.
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