2008 TSUN News

[OCBucksFan]

Beating those fuckers will always feel good, but personally, I'd like to rip their hearts out and stomp on the dreams of a great season. You just can't do that if they're out of the race by mid-October.

I get your poihnt, but I don't care how we beat them, or what their record is., I just want to beat them< the more poijhts we win by the better!

 

[osugrad21]

DFP

Rich Rodriguez has failed so far at U-M

BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG ? FREE PRESS COLUMNIST ? October 13, 2008

Rich Rodriguez may yet restore Michigan to Big Ten supremacy. He might win a national title and justify athletic director Bill Martin?s decision to hire him.

In the meantime, this needs to be said:

Rodriguez has done an awful coaching job this season. Michigan is 2-4 and just lost to Toledo, which should never happen.

Toledo isn?t just a Mid-American Conference team; it?s a bad MAC team, a much worse outfit than Appalachian State last year.
Appalachian State, despite being in the FCS (formerly Division I-AA), was one of the 60 best teams in the country. Toledo was 123rd in the Jeff Sagarin?s ratings, behind 18 I-AA teams.

Rodriguez talks about ?building? the program. But literally no college football program in history was built as solidly as the one he inherited. U-M has been to 33 consecutive bowls, and that number would be 40 if the Big Ten could have sent more than one team to a bowl before 1975. Since 1968, Michigan had lost more than four games in a season only twice: in injury-ravaged campaigns in 1984 and 2005.

He has said his players played ?soft? and routinely says they aren?t ?executing? well. But when he was asked Monday if he personally would have done anything differently, he said this:

?No, no. It?s fair for everybody to question it. I think they?ve questioned everything I?ve done since I?ve been here, for the last eight or nine months. There?s nothing wrong with that. That?s fair game.??

He added that his only regret was that ?I wish I had had more time to spend with the players,? but he didn?t because of NCAA rules. It was an odd comment, considering that the Wolverines spend as much time in their football building as any players in the country.
Cont...

 

[ScriptOhio]

Re: Rodriguez said he wanted Mallett to stay. I?m still not convinced that he did. The guy Rodriguez really wanted was high schooler Terrelle Pryor, who burned Rodriguez in two ways ? by choosing Ohio State, of course, but also by making his announcement so late. If Pryor had chosen the Buckeyes in, say, late December, I suspect Rodriguez would have recruited Mallett to stay a lot harder than he did. But Pryor waited until the spring.

Burn him like a cheap couch at a W. 9th Ave. intersection.

 

[LightningRod]

U-M's Rodriguez sticks to script

'Stay the course' is what U-M coach keeps preaching

ANN ARBOR -- Rich Rodriguez made it plain and simple -- the Wolverines must stay the course.
Even after a 13-10 loss to Toledo at Michigan Stadium Saturday, and Michigan (2-4) off to its worst start in 41 years, and with a trip to No. 3 Penn State this weekend, Rodriguez said there's reason to believe that things eventually will go in the right direction.
The only thing he didn't indicate was exactly when.


"We got to stay the course," Rodriguez said Monday during his weekly news conference. "It's easy to waver. I know there's a lot of people disappointed, a lot of fans disappointed. We've got great fans. We've got a great university. We've got great tradition. They're used to winning a lot of games. That's a good thing. That's not a bad thing -- that's a good thing.
"But we have to stay the course. I believe in what we're doing. I believe in where we're doing it. I also believe in our players. We just got to play better and create some more opportunities for ourselves. Our guys know where we're at, there's nobody pointing any fingers, nobody straining off, from what I see. They've responded. You know, you can't dismiss what's going on. You've got to learn from it. But you can't dwell on it. I've been coaching long enough to understand you got to learn from it, then move on. That's what we're doing."

cont'd

 

[wadc45]

Rivals $

10/13

From TheWolverine...Bryce McNeal has decommitted from UM and says there are seven schools he is looking at, one of which is Minnesota.

 

[jwinslow]

Scout $

8/14

UM DL verbal DeQuinta Jones admits that despite his commitment he has wandering eyes, looking at Oklahoma St, Bama, Ark & Cal.

 

[HINYG8]

Scout $

8/14

UM DL verbal DeQuinta Jones admits that despite his commitment he has wandering eyes, looking at Oklahoma St, Bama, Ark & Cal.

Unreal....compare the last few posts with the FIRST one in this thread...and consider how much has changed up north in such a short time frame.

They have gone from a preseason legitimate NC contender to the bottom of the big ten so fast that Teddy Ginn's 40 time looks like mine by comparison.

I think we all thought RR was a mistake...esp. considering Miles was in play...and some of us even hoped it would prove disastrous...but this is unreal. I know it is early...and things may turn around up there..but given half a season it sure looks like RR is out of his league and UM is in deep, DEEP shit. We talked about slippery slopes and the potential for UM to take a ND like swan dive..but I expect it to be a gradual erosion..I never would have picked Toledo to win.

How big is that UW collapse now? UM really should be a one win team... and I don't see any certain W's left on their schedule.

I doubt this is the last recruit they lose...there are hints of additional transfers when the season is over...this is unraveling and it could get extremely ugly before it begins to get better. At this point they might need to cut their losses and start over again with someone else. That sounds dramatic..but if you are the AD at UM..what do you show the powers that be to give them optimism that there are better days ahead?

More transfers....recruiting losses....the end of the .500 or better streak, no bowl game to get some extra reps...opponents are shattering the UM record book in bad ways...they no longer have a home field advantage. The coach seems at a loss as to what do to to vary his schemes to make the team competitive or is incapable of changing his game plans, the rest of the conference is regaining some strength, MSU is building, OSU is lighting up the recruiting trail, where is the light in this tunnel? The program is on the verge of shambles.

This all sounds dramatic, and perhaps there is a bit of hyperbole in there..but consider where they really are vs. what was expected this year. Even with reduced expectations and talk of a rebuilding season they have managed to crawl well under what was a very low bar.

What can be done to salvage the next few seasons? Who are the key recruits that are now 'must get'? What changes do they need to make within the program and the coaching staff? What would you do?

 

[ysubuck]

The amazing thing to me is how abrupt the change to the spread has been. There was absolutely no transition and this season is being seen as the sacrificial lamb on the way to better things. Yet he stood there when hired and said that he would have to adapt to the personnel that he has. Since then he has shown absolutely no willingness to adapt to what he has. Where is that going to lead next year or the year after? Is UM going to be significantly better next year?

My thing is this: what's going to change next year? The kids will be a year older next year, but they are still not the kids recruited to run this system. Tate Forcier? A true freshman coming in and starting from day one? He may be a great one, we'll see.

Finally, are big time recruits going to want to come in and run this system? I mean, you can't sell the NFL to recruits running this offense. What else are you going to sell them to get them to come? Come in and win for UM but you probably won't get a serious look from the NFL. People can say what they want about Ohio State and the last few years of ass kickings in the NC game, but they put guys into the league. Jim Tressel can go in and sit down and point to Santonio Holmes, AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter, Vern Gholston and others as a great reason to come to Ohio State. Is Rich Rod going to be able to do that with offensive players, ever? Their big time recruits are starting to jump ship (or have "wandering eyes) right now and he's 6 games into his first year.

This is bad. This is worse than I ever thought it would be.

 

[Dryden]

The amazing thing to me is how abrupt the change to the spread has been. There was absolutely no transition and this season is being seen as the sacrificial lamb on the way to better things. Yet he stood there when hired and said that he would have to adapt to the personnel that he has. Since then he has shown absolutely no willingness to adapt to what he has. Where is that going to lead next year or the year after? Is UM going to be significantly better next year?

The thing I can't figure out is what benefit comes from leaving Threet in there? He's not going to be the QB next year. One of the new recruits, whoever it winds up being, will be given the reins immediately. Threet isn't anything remarkable as a passer and certainly isn't a game changer running the ball, so I'm not sure why RRod didn't groom some WR or DB with high school QB experience to run the thing for at least this year. The results couldn't possibly be any worse.

 

[jwinslow]

The thing I can't figure out is what benefit comes from leaving Threet in there?

Who else is there?

He's not going to be the QB next year. One of the new recruits, whoever it winds up being, will be given the reins immediately.

Considering they aren't on campus, I'm not sure that this matters.

Threet isn't anything remarkable as a passer and certainly isn't a game changer running the ball, so I'm not sure why RRod didn't groom some WR or DB with high school QB experience to run the thing for at least this year.

His name's Feagin, and he's worse than Threet, at least at this point.

The results couldn't possibly be any worse.

Disagree.

 

[JimsSweaterVest]

Dear Richard,

The Vest laughs at your pain and rejoices in your misery.

Sincerely,

JimsSweaterVest

 

[jwinslow]

toledoblade.com -- UM in 'disbelief' after upset loss to Rockets

Article published Tuesday, October 14, 2008
UM in 'disbelief' after upset loss to Rockets
By JOE VARDON
BLADE SPORTS WRITER
ANN ARBOR - You think you can't believe it?

Trust that Michigan's players and coaches are just as stunned, if not more so, that they lost 13-10 to Toledo last weekend.

"I felt, yeah, disbelief," Wolverines senior defensive end Tim Jamison said. "I didn't see it coming. We as a team didn't see it coming."

"We talked about it a lot," Jamison said. "Some of the players were making comments like 'Appalachian State, at least they won three national championships in their division.' It hurt [losing to UT], but a loss is a loss."

UM has to peel itself off the mat to play the third-best team in the country this week, then return home the following week to face a rival - No. 20 Michigan State. So this would be the time to rely on last year's experience of bouncing back.

"We draw up on that and try to tell the guys that it will get better," senior defensive tackle Terrance Taylor said. "A lot of things will be said and a lot of things will happen in the period of time from last week's game. "Right now, we're moving on to Penn State." In doing so - moving forward - UM coach Rich Rodriguez said the Wolverines need to "stay the course."

"It starts with me and the coaches, we've got to stay the course," Rodriguez said. "I know there are probably a lot of people disappointed, a lot of fans disappointed. ? But we've got to stay the course. We talked about that [Sunday] night. I believe in what we're doing and I believe in our players."

In this a season of change at UM, where Rodriguez is doing most things differently than they were done under Lloyd Carr, the players insist they believe in Rodriguez and his staff.

"We know everything's different, we know everything's changed, we knew everything wasn't going to be the same," sophomore right tackle Stephen Schilling said. "We believe in our coaches, and I think we all bought in throughout the summer and through camp. We believe that it will work, we just maybe have to employ more patience than we thought."

 

[NFBuck]

His name's Feagin, and he's worse than Threet, at least at this point.
Disagree.

But everybody on their boards said Feagin was better than Pryor!

 

[brodybuck21]

Fuck other people. I want their fucking head on a stick so I can parade it around campus. I don't give a fuck if they are 0-11 for fifteen fucking years. They sucked for twenty years before they stole Bo, so they can suck for ten years until they can wrangle another tOSU assistant to bring them back to realavancy. In the meantime, we fucking eat their souls every November, and laugh in their faces every other waking moment. FUCK THOSE FUCKS.

WHAT HE ^^^^^SAID!

 

[shetuck]

"I felt, yeah, disbelief," Wolverines senior defensive end Tim Jamison said. "I didn't see it coming. We as a team didn't see it coming."