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BuckeyeTillIDie
The North Remembers
Heard on the radio a few minutes ago that TB is listed as the starter for the game vs Troy...
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billmac91
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I think the thing to keep in mind regarding Terrelle, is his limited play-set.
If Terrelle had an understanding of the entire playbook, I think he'd 100% be the starter. Everyone who just blindly calls for Terrelle to start, don't take into account, he might only have 10-15 plays he can run. He'll start in due time, but he shouldn't be named the starter until he has a chance to succeed without being entirely predictable.
Against USC, people were going crazy wondering why Terrelle wasn't seeing the field more, b/c of his success out there. You just can't keep running the same plays with success against good teams. How times are they going to be beat by the same 5 playcalls?
As an aside, why not more clammoring for Joe Bauserman? He looked great in the spring game, went through his progressions extremely well, and has mobility in the pocket. I'd love to see him get a few more snaps as well.....
If Terrelle had an understanding of the entire playbook, I think he'd 100% be the starter. Everyone who just blindly calls for Terrelle to start, don't take into account, he might only have 10-15 plays he can run. He'll start in due time, but he shouldn't be named the starter until he has a chance to succeed without being entirely predictable.
Against USC, people were going crazy wondering why Terrelle wasn't seeing the field more, b/c of his success out there. You just can't keep running the same plays with success against good teams. How times are they going to be beat by the same 5 playcalls?
As an aside, why not more clammoring for Joe Bauserman? He looked great in the spring game, went through his progressions extremely well, and has mobility in the pocket. I'd love to see him get a few more snaps as well.....
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jimotis4heisman
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that move also went with a shift in the o line, barton and downing to starting roles.
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billmac91;1261584; said:
To hear our opponents tell it, this is what we do with Boeckman so why not try it with the more talented player?
Honestly, I keep hearing this limited playbook reason for keeping TB but I'd rather have TP running a few plays with his talent and not throwing the back breaking INT's than what we know we are going to get from TB.
Also keep in mind going forward that TB's strengths all start to go away once you take Beanie out of the equation. Teams are going to take the USC gameplan and blitz the live long day out of an OL that doesn't pass protect well and a QB that gets serious happy feet and is TO prone.
Moving forward without Beanie, Pryor is the answer. IMO its just a matter of time before he takes the job from TB.
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Jaxbuck;1261586; said:
I hate to even say it but i wholeheartedly agree with Jax. At the beginning of the year i thought there was no way in hell that Pryor would pass up TB. After the first 3 games of this year, it pretty much seems inevitable. TB lived off of Beanie, i don't think anyone can deny that. The play action doesn't suck up the defense without Beanie in there. No offense to Herron, Saine, or M. Wells....but until they prove that they can hit the home run, defenses will not respect the play action game.
When TP takes the field....the defense takes notice.
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billmac91
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Jaxbuck;1261586; said:
That's all understood....I'd just rather not shake the kids confidence and see him force a bunch of mistakes because he's working with a limited play-book.
I'm sure new packages are put in every week, and his grasp of what is being thrown at him grows everyday. I'd rather put him on the field with a full compliment of plays, for his future success, than throwing him out there and asking him to create as a true freshman.
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FrancisSoyer
Hall of Fame
When he becomes a more complete qb, as in improving his passing skills, he will be scary. I loved it when he was talking back to Mays! :bicker:
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billmac91;1261598; said:
agreed
I think thats the only reason Pryor isn't starting yet but I also expect this to happen sooner rather than later. IMO JT's going to get to the point soon where he says that TP knows enough, lets see what we've got.
I think another clunker from TB against Wisky will be about all JT can take before he has to be fair to the team and pull the trigger.
Its all about which guy gives us the best chance to win and I think TB's turnovers trump TP's inexperience in terms of which hurts our chances at victory more.
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strohs
Go Bucks!
For whatever reason, TB has completely lost the confidence he had for the first 3/4 of last season.
Unless he can find that this week (doubtful after last weeks performance) then TP gives the team the best chance to win, limited playbook or not.
I understand JT's loyalty, but TB hasnt just had one bad game, he has had 5 (not counting YSU) in a row.
I think its time for a change...
Unless he can find that this week (doubtful after last weeks performance) then TP gives the team the best chance to win, limited playbook or not.
I understand JT's loyalty, but TB hasnt just had one bad game, he has had 5 (not counting YSU) in a row.
I think its time for a change...
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bukIpower
Head Coach
I couldn't have said it better.... Boeckman can be a great QB but you take out a runner like beanie and you have people pinning their ears back against our passing game which doesn't mean good things when Boeckman doesn't have the confidence that he once had. I think teams early in the year last year said "lets make Boeckman beat us and stop the run" and Boeckman picked teams apart when teams came with no pressure. However, now I think teams are saying "beanie will get his so lets come after that QB and make them a running only team" and they come after boeckman relentlessly.
Having someone like Pryor in there is what scared me about VY in the 05 game. Do we blitz? If we blitz what happens if we miss him? Pryor makes defenses stay back or risk the threat of him breaking off a 40 yard run. I think teams will be hesitant to pass which will create more time to throw, and more space for beanie to run. I don't know how much longer this team can struggle before a change is necessary. This does remind me of Zwick in 04' in that everyone seems to be in Pryors corner besides Tressel. I feel bad for Boeckman because he does have a pretty good talent set, but he's got to play smarter or its a matter of time.
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There are more problems than just the QB with this team right now, I absolutely agree with that. But that was still a mediocre effort at best. It just boils down to "when is enough enough?". For over half of a season (going back to last season, obviously), TB has looked decent at times, mediocre mostly and downright bad too often. Watch the plays when TP is in the game, the entire team reacts to him. He has that "it" factor that Todd lacks. I unfortunately get the feeling that Todd has lost the team, they just don't seem inspired when he's in there. I said all along, if Todd doesn't show marked improvement, Pryor would get his turn by the time we were past USC. Well, he hasn't and the USC game was even worse than I could have ever imagined.Taosman;1261845; said:
Todd should remain the starter (for now), in name and on paper only. More and more reps need to be given to TP. Maybe he's the match that lights the fire under this team like Troy did when he got his turn.
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