2008 tOSU QB discussion (official thread)

[jimotis4heisman]

I think it's relevant to compare Troy Smith's year in '05 with Boeckman's year in '07. First of all, Smith has the obvious advantage of significant playing time the year before, having played eight games in '04 and starting in five of those games. Despite that, their numbers are pretty similar between the two of them for what can be considered their first year as a starter.


__________________Troy Smith _____Todd Boeckman
GP __________________11______________ 13
Effic. _______________162.65 __________148.94
Cmp-Att-Int ________149-237-4 _______191-299-14
Cmp Pct _____________62.9_____________63.9
Yds _________________2282 ___________2379
TD __________________16 ______________25
Avg/G ______________207.5 ____________183.0

Troy threw much fewer interceptions, Todd threw many more TDs, other than that the two years are similar as far as I'm concerned.

Also, I think a vast majority of Todd's interceptions were on deep bombs, which seemed to me like a deliberate strategy in most cases. The thought being, we're either going to get a huge gain on this play, or have the equivalent of a punt. So that inflates the INT numbers a bit in my opinion.

To take the comparison even further, Troy had some pretty bad games in '05, Penn State being the obvious one.

The biggest difference between the two years is that Troy finished off the year huge against tsun and Notre Dame, while Todd had his two worst games in final weeks of the season, and that is the only reason people are doubting Boeckman. Put the bad games for Boeckman at the beginning of the year like Troy in '05 (who had the advantage of significant starting and playing time in '04 like I mentioned before) and would people still be doubting Boeckman like they are? I don't think so.

Last year Boeckman was a first year starter and statistically he had one of the best years in Ohio State history. Cut the guy some fucking slack. He will never be the playmaker that Troy was, and he may never be the big game player that Troy was, but if Boeckman progresses between his first and second year remotely close to the way Troy did between '05 and '06 (and is there any reason to believe he won't?) people who don't expect him to be the starter all year are delusional.

In addition to everything else, Beanie Wells will be in the backfield, making any quarterback instantly better.

what about if you compare his numbers to the first season that troy took over 2005...

Troy didn't go into a serious funk over the last 3 games like Todd did.

2006
troy threw 4 of 6 ints in the last 4 games
if you look at it in 2006 troy had a couple of shaky games
uf 4-14 int 0 tds 35 yards sacked 5 times
psu 12-22 2 ints 1 td 115 yds
ill 13-23 1 int 0 tds 108 yards sacked 3 times
2005
texas 5-11 78 yards td sacked twice
psu 13-25 int 139 yards sacked 5 times
2004
psu 6-8 59 yards sacked 3 times
purdue 14-29 3 ints 1 td 192 yards sacked 3 times

if part of troys legacy is as michigan killer and his heisman part of his legacy will also be his struggles vs psu, his ncaa violation, his breaking a womans jaw during a fight and breaking car windows the michigan week 2003, toss out the hs stuff.

without bashing a kid you find it hard to overlook a dr jekyl mr hyde that will always be with troy smith.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

what about if you compare his numbers to the first season that troy took over 2005...


2006
troy threw 4 of 6 ints in the last 4 games
if you look at it in 2006 troy had a couple of shaky games
uf 4-14 int 0 tds 35 yards sacked 5 times
psu 12-22 2 ints 1 td 115 yds
ill 13-23 1 int 0 tds 108 yards sacked 3 times
2005
texas 5-11 78 yards td sacked twice
psu 13-25 int 139 yards sacked 5 times
2004
psu 6-8 59 yards sacked 3 times
purdue 14-29 3 ints 1 td 192 yards sacked 3 times

if part of troys legacy is as michigan killer and his heisman part of his legacy will also be his struggles vs psu, his ncaa violation, his breaking a womans jaw during a fight and breaking car windows the michigan week 2003, toss out the hs stuff.

without bashing a kid you find it hard to overlook a dr jekyl mr hyde that will always be with troy smith.

Just me, but I wouldn't include his performance against PSU from 2004. That was as buttoned-down as I've ever seen from an OSU offense.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Please site where i said anything about TP replacing TB. You really shouldn't put words into other peoples mouths to justify yourself

I dont see why its so 'dilusional' to think that TB might get benched if he goes into another slump... Teams do it all the time.

Please site where I said anything AT ALL about TP. You really shouldn't put words into other peoples mouths to justify yourself.

My point was about you and others alluding that TB might get benched. After suggesting that I was putting words in your mouth, you go on and say it plainly. Fine.

I have publicly offered you 10,000:1 odds. If you want, I will set up the vBet. Just say the word.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Just me, but I wouldn't include his performance against PSU from 2004. That was as buttoned-down as I've ever seen from an OSU offense.

was the game played? then it counts imo.

it does beg the question why was the game so buttoned down? that has to factor in if you want to factor out?

but i never was a fan of factoring factors-maybe cuz i never was any good at math-or spelling, grammar or capitalizing..

 

[Buckeye86]

what about if you compare his numbers to the first season that troy took over 2005...

Those numbers are from 2005.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

was the game played? then it counts imo.

it does beg the question why was the game so buttoned down? that has to factor in if you want to factor out?

but i never was a fan of factoring factors-maybe cuz i never was any good at math-or spelling, grammar or capitalizing..

Sure it was played, I just didn't think he played particularly poorly, considering what was asked of him that day.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Those numbers are from 2005.

i meant 2004 the year he first started-sorry.

 

[Buckeye86]

I dont see why its so 'dilusional' to think that TB might get benched if he goes into another slump... Teams do it all the time.

Teams may do it all the time, Jim Tressel doesn't.


Here's the stat line again with Smith in '06 thrown in to make it clearer.

__________________Troy Smith '05 ____'06 _____Todd Boeckman
GP __________________11____________13___________13
Effic. _______________162.65 ________161.91_______148.94
Cmp-Att-Int ________149-237-4 _____203-311-6____191-299-14
Cmp Pct _____________62.9__________65.3_________63.9
Yds _________________2282 _________2542_________2379
TD __________________16 ____________30__________25
Avg/G ______________207.5 _________195.5________183.0

and like jimotis4heisman pointed out, Smith had his share of bad games both years

 

[HorticullyBuck]

I have publicly offered you 10,000:1 odds. If you want, I will set up the vBet. Just say the word.[/quote]


I have no idea what that even is, i come on here to read and discuss football, thats all i'm going to say.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

I have publicly offered you 10,000:1 odds. If you want, I will set up the vBet. Just say the word.

I have no idea what that even is, i come on here to read and discuss football, thats all i'm going to say.[/QUOTE]
its so you can put your vmoney, where your vmouth is.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Teams may do it all the time, Jim Tressel doesn't.


Here's the stat line again with Smith in '06 thrown in to make it clearer.

__________________Troy Smith '05 ____'06 _____Todd Boeckman
GP __________________11____________13___________13
Effic. _______________162.65 ________161.91_______148.94
Cmp-Att-Int ________149-237-4 _____203-311-6____191-299-14
Cmp Pct _____________62.9__________65.3_________63.9
Yds _________________2282 _________2542_________2379
TD __________________16 ____________30__________25
Avg/G ______________207.5 _________195.5________183.0

and like jimotis4heisman pointed out, Smith had his share of bad games both years

since i like that format can you toss in troy 2004 for me?

 

[Buckeye86]

i meant 2004 the year he first started-sorry.

haha, alright let me try this one more time

__________________Troy Smith '04 _____Todd Boeckman
GP __________________8_________________ 13
Effic. ______________134.85 _____________148.94
Cmp-Att-Int ________68-122-3 __________191-299-14
Cmp Pct ____________55.7________________63.9
Yds ________________896 _______________2379
TD __________________8 _________________25
Avg/G ______________112.0 _____________183.0

 

[HorticullyBuck]

wow, you guys are arrogant. I never said TP would start over TB, i dont think TP will start over TB, im saying if TB goes on another slump, he might be benched, Bauserman or henton could take over. I'm sure the same stuff was said about the troy/zwick debate. You are more than welcome to respond/disagree/re-buttal my ideas but at least act like respectable about it.

 

[TheIronColonel]

___________Troy Smith '04____'05 ______'06 _______Todd Boeckman
GP _____________8__________11________13___________13
Effic. _________134.15______162.65 ____161.91_______148.94
Cmp-Att-Int __68-122-3___149-237-4 __203-311-6____191-299-14
Cmp Pct _______55.7________62.9______65.3_________63.9
Yds ___________896________2282 _____2542_________2379
TD _____________8__________16 _______30__________25
Avg/G _________112.0______207.5 _____195.5________183.0

Pretty clear progression.

Edit: beaten to it.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

I have publicly offered you 10,000:1 odds. If you want, I will set up the vBet. Just say the word.

I have no idea what that even is, i come on here to read and discuss football, thats all i'm going to say.

wow, you guys are arrogant. I never said TP would start over TB, i dont think TP will start over TB, im saying if TB goes on another slump, he might be benched, Bauserman or henton could take over. I'm sure the same stuff was said about the troy/zwick debate. You are more than welcome to respond/disagree/re-buttal my ideas but at least act like respectable about it.

I don't see anyone being particularly unpleasant here. No need to be so touchy. :)