2008 tOSU QB discussion (official thread)

[Taosman]

Game experience is huge, however I remember a guy by the name Smith that came into the Texas game at the Shoe, without any experience and did just fine. Troy could run out of trouble and he proved that, thats what made him so successful and the team so much better, by all means he wasnt a pocket passer. Im not saying that we need a QB thats going to run it 15 times a game (ie, PAT WHITE) but keeping the defense on its toes and having that option is something that Boeckman doesnt offer. IMO hes alittle to predictable, and I believe that teams know that.

We did lose that game, remember? :tongue2:

 

[Taosman]

People keep saying Boeckman regressed, but the competition was way better at the end of the season. And in the Michigan game the weather was horrendous! Toss that game out.

So. Let's look at the "regression".
Wiscy? He helped lead a comeback win.

Illinois? The whole team, especially the defense and offensive line under performed. Blame that on Boeckman?
Again, we see the WRs did not get separation. And the interception in the end zone was a tip.
Michigan game? The weather was a huge factor on both sides.
BCS game. Robo drops a beautifully thrown TD. Then the WRs again can't get separation. And the offensive line can't protect him long enough.
There All SEC corner makes a great play on a ball.(pass to Small who couldn't get off coverage) And Hartline pulls up and Boeckman misses him for a pick.
Penalties. Missed assignments. Lost that game. Not Boeckman's play.
So. I ask.
Where did he regress?

 

[osugolfer82]

I don't post alot of messages but this topic lights me up. I said all season once we face a defense that will play more than 20 yards down field that we had no chance. If you like a QB that throws the ball up for grabs everytime then Boeckman is your guy. The "pre- MSU" games proved this. Go back and watch the games and tell me how many great catches our wide recievers made. If Boeckman gets the starting position next year I feel sorry for all of Buckeye Nation and most of all for our WR's. I can't tell you if Henton or Pryor(if he signs) will be the cure, but there is no way Boeckman can do it. I wish I could believe that he could be a great QB like Krenzel but the kid does not have it. Even though Krenzel might not have been the most athletic, he was smart. I am not posting this message to buckeye-bash just cause the lost the NC game but I want to see a leader on the field next year.

 

[02Buckeyes06]

We did lose that game, remember? :tongue2:

I do remember that we lost that game, however Zwick did start that game and did poorly untill Smith came in got us back in it with his feet and then I also remember that the last drive they put Zwick back in and the defense blitzed and he fumbled the ball. remember? If a more mobile QB like Smith was in the last drive of that game we win.

 

[Taosman]

It is still a team game and if your WRs can't get off coverage you could have Elway back there and it wouldn't make a difference.
If your offensive line gets beaten your QB is running for his life.

We have lost a total of 3 games in 2 years with this group of players.
We have played in 2 strait BCS Championship games in a row.
With a young team this year. A team most picked 3rd in our conference!
2008 is supposed to be The Year!

 

[Bleed S & G]

Like the season before Smith finally got his chance.. I want to see Henton in 08.

 

[Buck Kid 66]

I think that beockman will be the starter next year, but wE will see Henton come in a ran so things like LSU did this year with their two QB's.

 

[Taosman]

I do remember that we lost that game, however Zwick did start that game and did poorly until Smith came in got us back in it with his feet and then I also remember that the last drive they put Zwick back in and the defense blitzed and he fumbled the ball. remember? If a more mobile QB like Smith was in the last drive of that game we win.

It would be nice if that was true.
The truth is Troy was still shaking off the rust of a suspension and had trouble reading defenses. He was not ready till several games later.
Zwick was our best option.
A dropped TD pass by the TE prevented Zwick from being the hero of that game.
Texas was just better and did win a BCS Championship with that team.
Accept it.

 

[02Buckeyes06]

Im in no way trying to be a downer on Boeckman at all, for all I know the kid could come in next year and light it up. Maybe its the play calling or the WR not getting enough seperation. But I do believe that College Football is changing with faster DE and DL. Bottom line is that if Henton and Pryor(if he signs) gives us a better chance against USC with their legs. Both of them have the size and I think athletisism of a Vince Young and I would hate to throw that away this coming year with the talent that we have coming back for Boeckman (If he plays like he did in the second half of the season). If he gets the start, which Im sure he will from Tressel I hope all the best for him, however I would like to see tressel utilize the talent that he does have and could have(Pryor) then to just give him the start because hes a senior.

 

[02Buckeyes06]

It would be nice if that was true.
The truth is Troy was still shaking off the rust of a suspension and had trouble reading defenses. He was not ready till several games later.
Zwick was our best option.
A dropped TD pass by the TE prevented Zwick from being the hero of that game.
Texas was just better and did win a BCS Championship with that team.
Accept it.

Smith came in, in the first quarter down 10-0. Within his first two possesions the score was tied 10-10. He contributed 19 of the 22 points to Zwicks 3. I wouldnt call that rust..I do agree with you that he didnt get to his full potential untill a couple games later.

Texas vs Ohio State (Sep 10, 2005)

 

[osugrad21]

Just a question...

If moving back to what Im assuming would be a gun-based offense meant a less effective Beanie Wells, would all of you be so willing to make the switch?

Do you think Henton and/or Pryor would be as effective under center?

What if Henton is more of a pocket passer than the free roller like Troy?

What if the playbook expands next year with Boeckman as it did with Troy in year 2? More sprintouts, formations, freedom to audible?

I'm not sure much of this discussion is just not a kneejerk reaction...especially when we have no idea what is on the other side of the coin.

 

[RB07OSU]

The more I think about it, I predict Henton. Todd just seemed to lose a lot of confidence in himself and the players around him towards the end of the year. I'll agree not to count The Game because the weather was absolute crap and Henne didn't do any better (even compared to his standards). I think Todd has all the ability to be a great QB here but if he doesn't regain composure in the off-season, I could definetly see Henton getting the spot. It sounded as if the coaches were impressed with Henton towards the end of the year and he has all the tools. He is a very good runner and has great throwing ability, he just needs to get the game down mentally and he could be a great one here. I think these two are the only ones that will be in serious contention to start next year.

I think in no way Terrelle Pryor will start in '08 and I think in no way do we keep TP off the field in '08. Regardless of who starts, TP is so explosive with the ball in his hands that there is no way he doesn't get some decent playing time. He has a ways to go in his technique and though he progressed a bit from his junior year, I don't see him getting the college game down quick enough to start next year. He has good enough passing ability to take the other team by surprise and throw it every now and then ala Tebow, but I just don't see him being a consistent passer yet. I think he will be eventually though. I will say that I fantasized Pryor in on our last drive and alluding defenders when Boeckman was being sacked.

Regardless of who our starter is in '08, they are going to have serious talent around them and I think they will be successful. I think either of Boeckman and Henton can get it done on a consistent basis and TP will provide a dynamic playmaker that can change the course of a game any time he is in, which is something Boeckman lacks imo. I am very confident with the talent we are going to have in '08 at the quarterback position.

Edit: Grad also makes a great point...Beanie is an I formation type of guy, which I think is another reason either Boeckman or Henton starts. I think Henton could play in that type of offense and still be an effective runner, but there will definetly be a wrinkle in the '08 offense for a dual-threat QB regardless imo, which could include:
QB: Henton, Pryor
HB: MoWells, Saine, Thomas

-As far as our main offense we run, I think there is no way we get away from the offense we ran this year with Beanie in the I. He is our playmaker and isn't suited in a spread/shotgun attack, but he will need breaks and that's when we pull the switcheroo.

 

[NateG]

My thinking on Boeckman is if they practice more drills with him under pressure and deciding to let him make a get hit/throw it away type decision it would help alot. The other factor is that folks it was his FIRST YEAR as a starting QB you make your biggest leaps as a player from year one to year two when then competition you are used to gets raised like that. The other thing is that Henton will put a ton of pressure on him to have to get better if he wants to be the MAN at qb. With almost 2 full fresh awesome lines Beanie will be the trophy-piece by far, but similar to 2002 I believe if Boeckman can manage the game and not give it away our Defense and running game will be more than enough to push this team. Wells is about to explode and him running behind our line now adding in the brew crew, GOOD GOD MAN!!! Even if Gholston goes, L. Wilson is back and I think Rose will have a huge year and our secondary will be second to none. This team will be hard to beat next year.

 

[Buckin' A]

Just a question...

If moving back to what Im assuming would be a gun-based offense meant a less effective Beanie Wells, would all of you be so willing to make the switch?

Do you think Henton and/or Pryor would be as effective under center?

What if Henton is more of a pocket passer than the free roller like Troy?

What if the playbook expands next year with Boeckman as it did with Troy in year 2? More sprintouts, formations, freedom to audible?

I'm not sure much of this discussion is just not a kneejerk reaction...especially when we have no idea what is on the other side of the coin.

I completely understand what you are saying here Grad, and I appreciate Boeckman's loyalty and effort. However, I'm not sure he's shown he is completely comfortable with what they put in place this year. Is he ready for more on his plate?

 

[OHSportsFan]

Just a question...

If moving back to what Im assuming would be a gun-based offense meant a less effective Beanie Wells, would all of you be so willing to make the switch?

Do you think Henton and/or Pryor would be as effective under center?

What if Henton is more of a pocket passer than the free roller like Troy?

What if the playbook expands next year with Boeckman as it did with Troy in year 2? More sprintouts, formations, freedom to audible?

I'm not sure much of this discussion is just not a kneejerk reaction...especially when we have no idea what is on the other side of the coin.

Beanie looked pretty good out of the shotgun here.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6x7Vax2RMA"]YouTube - Chris Wells TD Run - OSU/UM 11-18-06[/ame]

Point is, I think Beanie can run regardless, especially if you have a dynamic weapon at QB.