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NightmaresDad
Woody Rules!
Tresselbeliever;1306751; said:
I don';t think you can fire the coach every time a player doesn't get the job done.
When the whold group doesn't get the job done, however, then you are looking at the coach.
I think we are all looking at this issue as: Is it a failure of the system or implementation of the system? (coaching). Or is it a failure of the player(s) to work and progress as is expected?
AS far as '08 goes, probably plenty of both.
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scarletngray
Gold Pants
BB is definitely a better OG than he is OT. However, because of Shuggart's injury and lack of depth, he is the best option right now. Tress had to compensate by keeping a TE or RB in too help with the right side, which limits play calling.
After seeing the OL production Marcus Hall scheduled an official visit because he now believes that he would see early playing time. I think that he would almost immediately be in the two deep.
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After seeing the OL production Marcus Hall scheduled an official visit because he now believes that he would see early playing time. I think that he would almost immediately be in the two deep.
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alumniwannab
Newbie
Buckeye offensive Line Coaching Style in the Past?
Ok... Everyone has seen it and as I am sure everyone as thought the same at one time or another the past few years. Is the Buckeye Offensive line coaching still in the stone age? With the talent the Bucks have it seems as though our coaching staff is holding our talent back. Any Thoughts????
Ok... Everyone has seen it and as I am sure everyone as thought the same at one time or another the past few years. Is the Buckeye Offensive line coaching still in the stone age? With the talent the Bucks have it seems as though our coaching staff is holding our talent back. Any Thoughts????
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akronbuck
Legend
alumniwannab;1306887; said:
Todays coaching style at OSU of the linemen isn't aggressive or attacking , it's more of hold your spot to block or slow down the pressure coming . Some like that way, some don't but, if they stick with that at OSU THEY BETTER RECRUIT AN ATHLETIC LINEMAN like a ORLANDO PACE BUT, not to many like him come along SO, go smaller with lineman that are still athletic but, can get the job done.
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I saw it posted in another thread, but how does JT not know there is a problem, for heavens sakes, he took to coaching up the O-line at one point this year, something has got to change, either start recruiting players to match the coaching philosophy, change the philosophy or fire the philosopher.
I love the things JT has done for tOSU and would not trade him for any other coach, but his undying loyalty has kept this team from meeting its potential the last few years, heck in my opinion, the O-line has been disappointing since JTs arrival and only some super talented skill position players have allowed the Bucks to succeed (Troy, Jenkins, Clarrett, Santonio, Ginn, Gonzo, Beanie) I just hope that in the future, TP, Posey, Berry, Boom et.al. get help and aren't forced to win in spite of less than stellar O-line play.
I love the things JT has done for tOSU and would not trade him for any other coach, but his undying loyalty has kept this team from meeting its potential the last few years, heck in my opinion, the O-line has been disappointing since JTs arrival and only some super talented skill position players have allowed the Bucks to succeed (Troy, Jenkins, Clarrett, Santonio, Ginn, Gonzo, Beanie) I just hope that in the future, TP, Posey, Berry, Boom et.al. get help and aren't forced to win in spite of less than stellar O-line play.
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schwab
Donkey Punch Ann Arbor
My question involves the style of play designed for the OLine. Awhile back I remember some discussion involving blocking sleds, and the use or the lack thereof. Does OSU use blocking sleds? I have no idea. Maybe every team does, or maybe some do and some don't, again, I don't know. That is part of my question.
If there are different ways of teaching your OLine to attack and/or zone block, what can a team like OSU do different to improve the results? What are they currently doing that is not working? Is it an attitude? I highly doubt it is talent. There are many other schools that utilize much less talented OLine's and much less talented RB's than 28, but they routinely move the ball and score points. I don't think this OLine is taught to fire off of the ball and put their man on their back.
What can OSU do to change the foundation of their blocking philosophy?
If there are different ways of teaching your OLine to attack and/or zone block, what can a team like OSU do different to improve the results? What are they currently doing that is not working? Is it an attitude? I highly doubt it is talent. There are many other schools that utilize much less talented OLine's and much less talented RB's than 28, but they routinely move the ball and score points. I don't think this OLine is taught to fire off of the ball and put their man on their back.
What can OSU do to change the foundation of their blocking philosophy?
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Earl Bruce discussed the sled and blocking philosophy issues after the game. You could tell he really wanted to lay into Bollman, but held his tongue.
Callers kept laying into the O-line, the main issue being that there is too much talent at OSU to be 109th in the nation in offense. I can't say that I disagree. Bollman needs to be a seperate thread here as one more game anywhere close to this in offensive ineptitude is going to open the floodgates of criticism.
Callers kept laying into the O-line, the main issue being that there is too much talent at OSU to be 109th in the nation in offense. I can't say that I disagree. Bollman needs to be a seperate thread here as one more game anywhere close to this in offensive ineptitude is going to open the floodgates of criticism.
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*OSUBucknut10*
Buckaholic
Bollman needs to go. It's not like this has been the first time our OL has been dominated. It has happened in the last 4 big time games we've played.
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I said this in another thread, but it goes here too: I am extremely disappointed in the number of walk-ons on the Offensive Line in the two deep in the last few years. I don't want to take anything away from them, I admire their guts and determination, but they're being in the two-deep says we whiffed on some of our recruits. OSU has got to continue getting the best recruits in there AND developing them. Games are won in the trenches (especially Tresselball), and they just aren't getting it done.
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ant80
Think less, feel more.
We have a shitty offensive lines coach, resulting in shitty offensive line play. We have WAY more talent on OL than our play on the OL indicates. We have WAY more talent than Oregon State (an obvious reference to the unit's play against USC). Our play calling has been pretty bad all throughout the past few years, especially in big games, though criticism of that aspect has been somewhat muted due to the alleged need to "roll back" the playbook to accommodate for a true freshman at QB. I call BS. Texas opened up the playbook against Oklahoma in 2006 with Colt McCoy (a redshirt freshman at that time), which was why they actually won the encounter. Mack Brown's own words. The only way they're going to learn some things is through in-game lessons. Protecting them is not going to work. Make the plays or make mistakes and learn should be the philosophy. If Pryor is as talented as everybody expects him to be, he should be able to handle it well.
Everybody points out to the 2006 season as a reason why Bollman's system "worked". 2006 was unique in that it had a bunch of skill position players who executed awesomely. Yet the one time when they were stopped due to the ferrocious pass-rush and injuries, and admittedly a multitude of factors, everything collapsed. There was absolutely NO creative play calling. Check the play-by-play in the 2nd quarter of the 2006 game here. Look at OSU's scoring drive. TS Pass to Hartline, FL penality, TS rush, Pitt rush for 5 yards, and Pitt rush for 18 yards and a TD. Hell, we even had Florida stopped in their possession inbetween. What happened on the next drive? 3 straight incompletions, two of them thrown away, if I remember right. When the run is working, why not stick with the run for a little while? This is lack of creativity, and shitty play calling. This is being conservative.
A lot of people define conservative play calling as run, run, run, and pass on 3rd downs. But that doesn't explain conservatism completely. Conservatism, according to me, is inflexibility, lack of innovation, and refusal to get out of your comfort zone. Pittman had 10 carries for 62 yards, and Wells as a true freshman had 2 carries for nine yards (including that stopped play on 4th and 1). Thats nearly 5 yards a carry on the ground outside of the sacks on Troy Smith. The 3 straight incompletions in the succeeding possession amounted to conservatism. THIS is conservative play calling. This is SHITTY play calling. Remember, the score is 14-21 at that stage. And by the way, the pass to Hartline ended up being the longest pass completed by OSU that night.
Couple this with lousy OL play, that gave us the then worst loss in JT's tenure. I guess the troubles with the OL started the game against Florida. Never stopped after that. For 3 years, we have suffered from a lack of solid OL play in spite of having more talent than most D1 schools. Bollman needs to go.
Everybody points out to the 2006 season as a reason why Bollman's system "worked". 2006 was unique in that it had a bunch of skill position players who executed awesomely. Yet the one time when they were stopped due to the ferrocious pass-rush and injuries, and admittedly a multitude of factors, everything collapsed. There was absolutely NO creative play calling. Check the play-by-play in the 2nd quarter of the 2006 game here. Look at OSU's scoring drive. TS Pass to Hartline, FL penality, TS rush, Pitt rush for 5 yards, and Pitt rush for 18 yards and a TD. Hell, we even had Florida stopped in their possession inbetween. What happened on the next drive? 3 straight incompletions, two of them thrown away, if I remember right. When the run is working, why not stick with the run for a little while? This is lack of creativity, and shitty play calling. This is being conservative.
A lot of people define conservative play calling as run, run, run, and pass on 3rd downs. But that doesn't explain conservatism completely. Conservatism, according to me, is inflexibility, lack of innovation, and refusal to get out of your comfort zone. Pittman had 10 carries for 62 yards, and Wells as a true freshman had 2 carries for nine yards (including that stopped play on 4th and 1). Thats nearly 5 yards a carry on the ground outside of the sacks on Troy Smith. The 3 straight incompletions in the succeeding possession amounted to conservatism. THIS is conservative play calling. This is SHITTY play calling. Remember, the score is 14-21 at that stage. And by the way, the pass to Hartline ended up being the longest pass completed by OSU that night.
Couple this with lousy OL play, that gave us the then worst loss in JT's tenure. I guess the troubles with the OL started the game against Florida. Never stopped after that. For 3 years, we have suffered from a lack of solid OL play in spite of having more talent than most D1 schools. Bollman needs to go.
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