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2008 Rivals/Scout/etc. National & Regional Rankings

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stevehare;870222; said:
Now, you can take a look and see that Ohio State and Notre Dame have offered Adams, but haven't offered Sanders. Is that enough to give Adams the nod over Sanders? Sure, if all we look at is an offer list.
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So what else were you looking at when you decided Sanders was better than Adams?
 
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irishsteve said:
Seriously, the only opinion here that is going to be accepted is the one that states that Ohio prospects have their value judged by whether or not they have received an offer from Ohio State...reread this thread, you'll see it stated.
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bullshit.

that's a cop out. that's not how recruiting on this site is run.
 
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stevehare;870233; said:
OK...OSUGRAD, etc., sorry for invading your territory. I simply wanted to respond to a post that was a bit inaccurate.

I'm sorry...won't happen again.
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No credentials? Coaching experience? Play college ball? What?

Steve, in all seriousness, go back and read this thread....then take a look around th site. This is without a doubt the most level-headed site on the net when it comes to recruiting. However, you stirred up the hive yourself...hopefully, after I go back and split off this horse abortion later, you can return for a more sensible conversation with facts as facts and opinions as opinions. We discuss things here...you don't need to bring your billyclub next time.
 
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I think this is the biggest issue with Rivals period...if a prospect is from the south or seems very interested in southern schools, they will get ranked higher. Mike Adams was in one of your features on AMP early on as a top 5 OL in the country...then 3 weeks later, Burton comes out with some BS about Adams not even being in the top 100 and lists all his reasons why. It's pure contradiction and makes no sense...I have no idea if you had any hand in that, but it just pisses off our fanbase when stuff like that happens. You say you don't think Rudolph is the top player in Ohio and yet you still think Sanders is better than Adams...who is the top player in Ohio then? All the Ohio experts almost unanimously have Adams as #1. It seems like this for us OSU fans...Adams had offers from all over the country but choose to only look at a couple schools, mainly in the midwest. The whole time everyone knew Adams would go to OSU and he made that official early on...it's a lot harder to sell subscriptions rating a guy who everyone already knows where he is going, even if you know he ought to be higher. Also, people have already tried to address Burton about Adams being ripped off and he simply deleted their posts (some of them weren't even OSU fans)...seems like he was worried about his rep quite a bit and wouldn't hear reason. One of the reasons you list as Sanders being higher is aggression...are you kidding me? Adams is constantly running downfield just looking for someone to maul and is always active. In fact, the word around on Sanders as to why he doesn't have particular offers from OSU and a couple others is that he is too soft...I will agree he has a good frame, reach, and upside, but I don't think he is nearly aggressive enough. I just think the problem is that you won't be able to make much of an arguement as to why you ranked Sanders ahead of Adams just because there really is no arguement to state...Adams is the better player as of now, plain and simple. Not to mention the arguements previously stated were proven to be flawed, such as the coach from Miami offering and OSU not having as many OL drafted as Miami in higher rounds (or period), so it makes it hard to listen to you. In summary...Rivals has a horrible southern bias and while I think most would agree that the south puts out more overall talent than the midwest (lately anyways), sometimes players flat out get ripped off because of this. If Adams would have showed USC and some southern schools more interest, he would be a 5 star prospect.
 
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stevehare;870204; said:
Yes, I threw in a jab about Florida beating Ohio State. But that was to point out that Florida had no trouble offering Sanders and I think Florida has some credibility in recruiting and on the field.
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As is fairly well known, Urban 'offers' just about everyone under the sun. UF fans have even come up with terms to separate their offered prospects...those that have 'committable offers' and those that do not.

Brendan Beal...committable offer, Terrelle Pryor...committable offer. Michael Brewster...extremely committable offer. Zebrie Sanders...most UF people I've read believe he does not have a committable offer at this point...and may only get one if more OL prospects come off their board.

You need two catagories when you're offering 115 prospects (like UF has doen so far this year, according to the scout.com database) despite only having 18-20 spots this year. For comparison, OSU has offered 43 kids for 2008, by my count at least, for their 15-18 potential spots. Not saying one way is right or one way is wrong...both ways have been successful - but I would say that getting a UF offer is hardly the badge of greatness one might assume it is on first blush. Until that offer becomes 'committable' it's basically nothing more than an expression of interest IMO.
 
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I didn't realize that I started such a stir... :biggrin:

As far as input on the national rankings, Steve may not have direct input in the fact that he says "this is who I want ranked here"... But I know for a fact that Rivals takes into account opinions of their state and local guys who tend to see players more than they do, even if they don't ask for them directly...

And BTW, did you ever see Sanders run-block while watching him? Anything where Northmont would line up in the I and Sanders would blow people off the line? My guess is no, because he doesn't do that... I've seen him play 10 times in high school, and while he has really good feet and good technique pass-blocking, he's not a line-up and block the man in front of him tackle... He's good in space when he's dropping to prevent a pass rush, but he won't open up a hole for you... Mike Adams possesses the same feet, a bigger frame, and a much nastier dispostion than Zebrie (I've seen Adams play 5 or 6 times)... That's my analysis... And comparing offer lists is a BS way to say "30 colleges prefer Sanders"... Adams had offers from a lot more powerhouse programs than Zebrie Sanders... Sanders got a lot of offers once Adams was off the board...
 
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OSUBucks22;870417; said:
I didn't realize that I started such a stir... :biggrin:

As far as input on the national rankings, Steve may not have direct input in the fact that he says "this is who I want ranked here"... But I know for a fact that Rivals takes into account opinions of their state and local guys who tend to see players more than they do, even if they don't ask for them directly...

And BTW, did you ever see Sanders run-block while watching him? Anything where Northmont would line up in the I and Sanders would blow people off the line? My guess is no, because he doesn't do that... I've seen him play 10 times in high school, and while he has really good feet and good technique pass-blocking, he's not a line-up and block the man in front of him tackle... He's good in space when he's dropping to prevent a pass rush, but he won't open up a hole for you... Mike Adams possesses the same feet, a bigger frame, and a much nastier dispostion than Zebrie (I've seen Adams play 5 or 6 times)... That's my analysis... And comparing offer lists is a BS way to say "30 colleges prefer Sanders"... Adams had offers from a lot more powerhouse programs than Zebrie Sanders... Sanders got a lot of offers once Adams was off the board...
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Couldnt of put it any better...

This is something that I would expect from you Steve...I think you came over here thinking that this was another site like rivals, scout, etc. and it is far from it...We can more than hold our own over here, and we just wanted some reasoning for having Sanders ahead of Adams, which everyone here will disagree with...We just wanted some substance from your posts, not backhanded comments...

Also Sanders has a nice frame, but he is going to have to do some growing into that frame, not saying he can't, but the frame is already there for Adams, the feet are there, and he has experience run and pass blocking...

To me it just seems that you have to really see something in the potential of Sanders to have him ranked over Adams when Adams has the tools over Sanders...
 
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OSUBucks22;870417; said:
And BTW, did you ever see Sanders run-block while watching him? Anything where Northmont would line up in the I and Sanders would blow people off the line? My guess is no, because he doesn't do that... I've seen him play 10 times in high school, and while he has really good feet and good technique pass-blocking, he's not a line-up and block the man in front of him tackle... He's good in space when he's dropping to prevent a pass rush, but he won't open up a hole for you...
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Didn't even mention that...Sanders is in a completely spread offense. The only run blocking he will/has been able to do is on zone blocking. I have seen Zebrie play twice and have only observed him in one game closely and he doesn't seem aggressive at all. As 22 said, Zebrie is a great pass blocker and never even gets a chance to really get after it in the run game. However, OSU has seen Sanders in person and did not offer...Bollman always looks for the mean streak in an OL and didn't see it (that has been the constant theme). Can I get an amen from anyone else on that from jwins, 22, grad, anybody? Zebrie can be a very good one but Adams is WAY more of a complete package and yet I think Adams has plenty of potential as is, so it's not like he is maxed out or anything. I haven't seen Mike in person other than glancing over at drills during camp but I have watched his films many a time and plan on watching him this year. Also, great point b-town...when you offer half the country and get 25-30 commits, it makes it a lot easier to throw out offers. I think it was grad that was saying that some of the schools that have "offered" would not accept his verbal at this point. I gurantee that Florida, USC, or anyone for that matter would have more than accepted Adam's verbal on the spot.

Edit: I just also want to say great work all around for the board...like disputing every argument in a civil way. This is truly not your every day board and if you say something that isn't true, there is someone learned up enough on it to tell you your wrong and not just accept it as fact.
 
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Free Scout

6/24

New National Top 300...of note:

#2 Terrelle Pryor
#8 Shayne Hale
#11 Mike Adams
#21 Mike Brewster
#28 Steven Filer
#30 Michael Floyd
#33 Josh Jenkins
#37 JB Shugarts
#43 Brendan Beal
#50 Devoe Torrence
#52 Devier Posey
#55 Andrew Sweat
#56 Kenny Tate
#59 Sam McGuffie
#63 Garrett Goebel
#69 Blake Ayles
#72 Jake Stoneburner
#79 Josh Jarboe
#106 Kevin Koger
#107 Fred Smith
#109 Brandon Moore
#121 Dan McCarthy
#123 Robert Quinn
#139 Cordale Scott
#151 Brandon Harris
#156 Quinton Coples
#186 Lamar Thomas
#189 Jeffrey Fuller
#190 Michael Shaw
#201 Keith Wells
#206 Willie Mobley
#227 Elliot Mealer
#228 Corey Liuget
#231 Kyle Long
#239 Christian Wilson
#245 Greg Shaw
#249 Nathan Williams
#260 Zebrie Sanders
#277 Nic DiLillo
#288 Brandon Green
#292 Rodriguez Wilks
 
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is it possible we could have 6-7 5 stars on the Scout Rating scale? I thought Scout's top 50 players were 5 stars...

Verbals in top 50 - Adams, Brewster, Shugarts, Torrence
Possibilities in top 50 - Pryor, Hale, Jenkins
 
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Update Rivals state rankings for Connecticut, Massachusettes, D.C., Mississippi, Oklahoma, Hawaii, Colorado, Alabama and Virginia.

Now on to states that are of interest to OSU fans...

Free Rivals

6/21

West Virginia...of note:

#1 Josh Jenkins

Free Rivals

6/22

Kentucky...of note:

#1 Aaron Boyd (supposedly was going to camp at OSU...not sure if that happened)
#7 Ryan Wallace

Free Rivals

6/20

Minnesota...of note:

#1 Michael Floyd
#3 Willie Mobley

Free Rivals

6/24

Texas...of note:

#8 Jeff Fuller
#13 JB Shugarts
#17 Sam McGuffie
 
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