2008 Rivals/Scout/etc. National & Regional Rankings

[SweetBuckeye]

stevehare, your professionalism is laughable. With your first post you get all defensive and overreact.
Your job (Ohio Varsity) is to give opinions on high school students but when others give an opinion about you, you get all upset and attack.
I'm not an evaluator of high school football players, I work for an insurance co., but I knew that when I stated "He also stated that you have Sander over Adams (which you admit), which is probably funnier than anything he posted." I'd get another self conscious reaction from you.

Regardless, I don't know you from Adam and I've never read an evaluation of yours, but so far I'm not missing anything. When asked to defend your ranking, you still haven't provided one. Isn't that a job of yours at Ohio Varsity or do you only do it when you aren't going to be questioned.
You stated that you talked with plenty of HS coaches that have coached against both players, but when questioned about that you backed off and stated - coaches that only coached against one or the other. Then your defense is a Mia Fl offensive line coach who offered SanderS (yeah I caught that) - still apparently some question about how valid that statement is. And now (from an ND fan of all things) you throw in jabs about the beating OSU took from Florida in the NC game.
Like I said, your professionalism is laughable!

 

[Meyer]

Steve, I just hope you take a really close look at both guys this year and if you still believe that Sanders is better then OK, but Adams is an absolute stud and I think he deserves a second look from you.

I mean we wouldn't argue so vigorously for Adams if we didn't TRULY believe that he was being slighted.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

Recently, we did a comparison of the number of offensive linemen put into the NFL by Miami and Ohio State...while the total number was pretty close (can't remember the exact figure) the disparity in where those players were drafted was pretty high.

Miami had many more first day picks, especially at tackle, than Ohio State.

BS has been called... 1970-current (OL only)

Buckeyes
Rd 1 - 10
Rd 2 - 2
Rd 3 - 1
Rd 4 - 2
Rd 5 - 3
Rd 6 - 4
Rd 7 - 3
Rd 8 - 0
Rd 9 - 2
Rd 10 - 4
Rd 11 - 2
Rd 12 - 0
Total - 33

Canes
Rd 1 - 4
Rd 2 - 1
Rd 3 - 3
Rd 4 - 1
Rd 5 - 3
Rd 6 - 2
Rd 7 - 3
Rd 8 - 0
Rd 9 - 1
Rd 10 - 1
Rd 11 - 0
Rd 12 - 1
Total - 20

 

[Oneshot]

 

[Meyer]

What I'm wondering is, if he won't tell us why he has Sanders ranked higher (other than the crappy reasons he gave us) here, then where would he be willing to defend his rankings?

 

[Oneshot]

But on a serious note:

I don't liken defending your position to the Buckeye Planet to selling hamburgers at PITA.

The moderators here do a very good job at trying to keep things level-headed open-minded.

And since this is the case, the members here are willing to take a critical and objective look at the talent of players, both committed to Ohio State and not committed to Ohio State.

And in this situation, the vast majority have agreed here that Mike Adams is a better lineman than Zebrie Sanders.

We are ALL interested in hearing a legitimate, full fledged defense of your decision.

Isn't that your job? To make a judgment and then defend it?

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

On Will Hill:

Quote:
Hill is arguably the best athlete in the Garden State in a decade.
Considering Myron Rolle was from NJ, that is saying something. Maybe NJ-Buckeye can comment more on Will here or in his thread.

Always tough saying who the best is/was.. but there's competition in that statement...

Chris Simms was USA Today's National Offensive Player of the Year
and played in EVERY game during his 4 years in high school
Greg Olsen was rated pretty high
Brian Toal was pretty good
Dwayne Jarrett ain't bad for a Pac-10 fella
Brian Cushing is no slouch
And as WADC stated.. Rolle was a stud... saw him in action... wow...
Eugene Monroe will be heard from
Anthony Davis will be heard from
but ya gotta give Hill his due... I've heard he's amazing but have not seen him

 

[osugrad21]

Well Steve, you haven't done very well so far.

Feel free to continue defending yourself and your rankings. You are certainly entitled to do that on this forum.

However, if you continue to insult this site, our userbase, or tOSU, you won't be here long.

Unlike you, we don't get paid to take garbage..grow some thicker skin or find a job that does not involve public opinion.

As far as evaluating talent, I'd love to here your credentials in football....since you are calling people out, let's hear your resume'

 

[wadc45]

So any recruiting news today?

Man, did I pick a heck of a day to skip out of the office and hit the links (ahem, a little 82 at Hickory Hills notwithstanding)...

Welcome to the site Steve!

 

[stevehare]

You don't need to tell us, we know...

Anyways, since your Miami "evidence" went up in smoke, what's your basis for ranking Sanders ahead of Adams?

No, my Miami "evidence" didn't go up in smoke.

When I first talked to Sanders he discussed Art Kehoe. I stand corrected on Kehoe already being gone when Sanders was officially offered.

Hard to respect this position. Most, including myself, are curious about your point of view...yet you don't back it up with anything of substance.

But, to each their own.

Trying to explain ones position on this board is a losing battle, unless of course that position is supported by those on this board.

It is quite clear that the position of this board is that Adams is the best prospect in the state of Ohio. I'm not here to dispute that.

I was pointed to this site because someone was blaming me for Adams not being ranked appropriately and I stated that wasn't the case. I have no input and carry no weight in the national rankings.

Yes, at Ohio Varsity we have Sanders ranked higher than Adams, but it's very close. We think Sanders is more well-rounded, has better technique, plays more aggressively and finishes. That's not to say Adams doesn't do those things, we just think Sanders does them better.

 

[stowfan]

So any recruiting news today?

Man, did I pick a heck of a day to skip out of the office and hit the links (ahem, a little 82 at Hickory Hills notwithstanding)...

Welcome to the site Steve!

82 is a great score unless you took 13 or so Mulligans

 

[jwinslow]

Trying to explain ones position on this board is a losing battle, unless of course that position is supported by those on this board.

No, it's quite possible. I've seen plenty do it. We have a moderator from USC that does it regularly, whether it be about hated rival USC or political debate. I've never seen him cater to our side during arguments. What is crucial is he keeps a level head and uses sound arguments to refute heated comments aimed towards him or USC.

Yes, at Ohio Varsity we have Sanders ranked higher than Adams, but it's very close. We think Sanders is more well-rounded, has better technique, plays more aggressively and finishes. That's not to say Adams doesn't do those things, we just think Sanders does them better.

Thank you, that's what we've been looking for.

It is quite clear that the position of this board is that Adams is the best prospect in the state of Ohio. I'm not here to dispute that.

I think we could understand Rudolph at #1, even if we disagree. What makes no sense to many of us is why he's #8, behind a raw project like Cordale Scott who only has 1 major offer. I understand that was not your handiwork, but I'm clarifying why we object so strongly to the rankings.

This is my big question: Why do you feel there is such a disparity between Adams' & Sanders' offers, if they are so equal in rivals' eyes?

 

[wadc45]

82 is a great score unless you took 13 or so Mulligans

12 mulligans...one for each beer...

 

[Elephant]

No, my Miami "evidence" didn't go up in smoke.

When I first talked to Sanders he discussed Art Kehoe. I stand corrected on Kehoe already being gone when Sanders was officially offered.



Trying to explain ones position on this board is a losing battle, unless of course that position is supported by those on this board.

It is quite clear that the position of this board is that Adams is the best prospect in the state of Ohio. I'm not here to dispute that.

I was pointed to this site because someone was blaming me for Adams not being ranked appropriately and I stated that wasn't the case. I have no input and carry no weight in the national rankings.

Yes, at Ohio Varsity we have Sanders ranked higher than Adams, but it's very close. We think Sanders is more well-rounded, has better technique, plays more aggressively and finishes. That's not to say Adams doesn't do those things, we just think Sanders does them better.

I have a question...Who is in charge of evaluating the talent in North Georgia?

 

[stevehare]

stevehare, your professionalism is laughable. With your first post you get all defensive and overreact.

My first post was to provide some facts...I was being lumped in with the national rankings and people thought the rankings were due to my relationship with the Notre Dame site. I wanted to set the record straight and make sure you all knew that my Notre Dame bias had nothing to do with Adams' ranking. If that's getting defensive, I'm guilty.

Your job (Ohio Varsity) is to give opinions on high school students but when others give an opinion about you, you get all upset and attack.

I didn't attack anybody. Feel free to criticize me.

I'm not an evaluator of high school football players, I work for an insurance co., but I knew that when I stated "He also stated that you have Sander over Adams (which you admit), which is probably funnier than anything he posted." I'd get another self conscious reaction from you.

You call it a self-conscious reaction; I call it having a discussion. That's the problem on the Internet, any contrasting opinion looks like a defensive response...when in fact, that wasn't the case at all.

Regardless, I don't know you from Adam and I've never read an evaluation of yours, but so far I'm not missing anything. When asked to defend your ranking, you still haven't provided one. Isn't that a job of yours at Ohio Varsity or do you only do it when you aren't going to be questioned.

As stated before, I'd be happy to discuss our rankings...over at Ohio Varsity. Seriously, the only opinion here that is going to be accepted is the one that states that Ohio prospects have their value judged by whether or not they have received an offer from Ohio State...reread this thread, you'll see it stated.

You stated that you talked with plenty of HS coaches that have coached against both players, but when questioned about that you backed off and stated - coaches that only coached against one or the other.

No, the first response to my comment misunderstood what I was saying. I didn't back off my comment. Let me explain.

We've talked to coaches all over the state about players we evaluate. We like to get opinions of others, especially coaches. So, we've talked to coaches that have coached against Adams and we've talked to coaches that have coached against Sanders. When I said we have talked to coaches that have coached against both Sanders and Adams, I didn't mean a coach that opposed both Coffman and Claymont...though that's how the poster that responded first took the comment. Again, I wasn't backing off of anything.

Then your defense is a Mia Fl offensive line coach who offered SanderS (yeah I caught that) - still apparently some question about how valid that stated is. And now (from an ND fan of all things) you throw in jabs about the beating OSU took from Florida in the NC game.

Yes, I threw in a jab about Florida beating Ohio State. But that was to point out that Florida had no trouble offering Sanders and I think Florida has some credibility in recruiting and on the field.

Again, my defense isn't is the Miami coach; the point was that the Hurricanes have done a pretty good job of getting their offensive linemen into the NFL, so being recruited by them means a little something.

Like I said, your professionalism is laughable!

I guess I won't be getting a Christmas card from you? ;0)