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2008 Preseason and Regular season Polls

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Telekinesis;1289730; said:
All I'm saying is that if we lay everything out on the table as it is right now, we should be in the top 3 if we beat Penn State, yes? PSU put the wood to Oregon State, a team that went on to beat USC. All things considered, we should be top 3? We'll see if that happens.
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Telekinesis;1289726; said:
I forgot how dominant Oregon State is. Losing to Stanford and Utah has to make you a beast of a football team. Not to mention getting ripped to shreds by Penn State. What was the score in that game again?
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You can argue yourself in circles like this all day, but it won't make a difference because these games have absolutely ZERO transitive value in college football. Bottom line is that we've been smoked in every major out-of-conference game we've played in since beating Texas in Austin a couple years ago, and that includes a 32 point drubbing at the hands of USC this season. Furthermore, let's be honest. Anyone who has objectively watched us play each game this season has to admit we're ranked right where we belong. Our O-line and D-line play is utterly weak. The only healthy back we have is one that can't seem to get out of the backfield. We're starting a freshman QB who looks like a stud 25% of the time and, understandably, like he's trying to figure things out the other 75% of the time. We don't belong in the top 10 right now, and you could make the case that we're actually too highly ranked. If we go out and beat MSU convincingly and then take out PSU while they're ranked in the top 5, we can say we belong in the top 10 again. Until then, we've got no room griping about anyone being ranked ahead of us.
 
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I honestly don't think we're a top three team, even if we beat Penn State. The jump that USC made that everyone is complaining about wouldn't be nearly as important/drastic as a jump from 10/11/12 to top three.

We'd jump a few spots, for sure. And we should. As I said, great wins negate upsets. We'd have to have more than one great win to be a top three team. Unfortunately, we only have one more opportunity to have a great win. Two if you count MSU, but we'd have to blow them out in a fashion similar to PSU/Wisconsin. The one win isn't going to put us that high, and I don't think it should.

That being said, we will not be voted that high no matter what we do. USC is going to stay ahead of us no matter what IMO, and there will be another handful of teams that will probably stay ahead because they haven't lost.

Like I said, I'm not saying it's fair, it's just the way it is this year..
 
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Telekinesis;1289730; said:
All I'm saying is that if we lay everything out on the table as it is right now, we should be in the top 3 if we beat Penn State, yes? PSU put the wood to Oregon State, a team that went on to beat USC. All things considered, we should be top 3? We'll see if that happens.
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Dude. You are aware that USC took us behind the woodshed, right?
 
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sepia5;1289738; said:
Dude. You are aware that USC took us behind the woodshed, right?
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I'm aware that USC took a crippled offense behind the woodshed, yes. We can pull up the offensive numbers with and without Beanie or with and without Boeckman if you wish.

Take out Boeckman and we don't have an INT returned for a TD. Put in Beanie and we average over a hundred yards more on offense and become capable of converting on 4th and 1. What's the score in the game after all that? Who knows? It isn't 35-3, I'll tell you that much.

People can talk about a few players not making a whole team all they want, but that's crap. Ted Ginn knows it, Beanie knows it, etc.
 
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sepia5;1289738; said:
Dude. You are aware that USC took us behind the woodshed, right?
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His point regarding the Ohio State loss to USC that it would not have happened if we had Beanie. I think it's still would have happened only the score might have been a little more respectful. Right now, we are not a very good team no matter who we have beaten. Now, if we beat MSU at their place and would beat PSU the following week we probably could move into the top 3-5 depending at what happens with other teams in the next couple weeks. Oklahoma State has to play Texas and I am sure one or two other teams ahead of us will fall.
 
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Telekinesis;1289749; said:
I'm aware that USC took a crippled offense behind the woodshed, yes. We can pull up the offensive numbers with and without Beanie or with and without Boeckman if you wish.

Take out Boeckman and we don't have an INT returned for a TD. Put in Beanie and we average over a hundred yards more on offense and become capable of converting on 4th and 1. What's the score in the game after all that? Who knows? It isn't 35-3, I'll tell you that much.

People can talk about a few players not making a whole team all they want, but that's crap. Ted Ginn knows it, Beanie knows it, etc.
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Takes the Scarlet colored glasses off for a while. Right now USC is a better team than us With Beanie or without him. Boeckman is a much better passer than Pryor right now but you saw what USC did to TB. Let's see how we do the next two weeks and then maybe you can put the glasses back on:)
 
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Telekinesis;1289749; said:
I'm aware that USC took a crippled offense behind the woodshed, yes. We can pull up the offensive numbers with and without Beanie or with and without Boeckman if you wish.

Take out Boeckman and we don't have an INT returned for a TD. Put in Beanie and we average over a hundred yards more on offense and become capable of converting on 4th and 1. What's the score in the game after all that? Who knows? It isn't 35-3, I'll tell you that much.

People can talk about a few players not making a whole team all they want, but that's crap. Ted Ginn knows it, Beanie knows it, etc.
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Don't know if you noticed, but we barely got 200 yards against Purdue. With beanie having 95 yards rushing. If that's not a crippled offense, what is? We look just as good/bad as we did with Boeckman in there.

The offense does as well as the offensive line does, and it could only be considered good against YSU, Minny, and Wisconsin. Only one of those impresses me, but even that accomplishment is being questioned after the absolute beatdown last night. Take out Boeckman and we still have an offensive line getting dominated. And they still have too many points for a team without an offensive line to score.

We lost against USC. Not Todd Boeckman and Boom.
 
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FWIW, as I say this, I just want to say first that I am not in any way disagreeing w/307 or Sepia5 in regards to us, for now, nor am I am a fan of any team, player or coach in the SEC. But, until proven otherwise, no team, player or coach in any other conference is going to be above suspicion in my eyes in any rankings until they prove it against the SEC. My argument, for the purposes of this lively discussion, is that I didn't see anything on the defensive side of the ball in any game involving the Big12, including Texas, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, etc, that would lead me to believe that they are or would be the team to beat. For now, they are all playing each other, and if there is, for all intents and purposes, no apparent defense played in the entire conference, then I think that has to be taken into the equation before we anoint these teams as superior.

Again, FWIW, I have Alabama & Florida as the number 1&2 teams in the country, especially since those are the only two rankings that actually mean something....and I'll wait and see on everyone else. I give Texas the benefit of the doubt at #3 for now...I posted that I thought they were underrated a couple of weeks ago, but, I'm not convinced about being number1 yet and I certainly I don't think they compare favorably yet to the SEC game. We'll see. I can't get over the fact that Oklahoma, the class of the Big12 last two years, got beaten by Boise State & West Virginia in BCS games, respectively. Red Flag!
 
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alpo;1289772; said:
FWIW, as I say this, I just want to say first that I am not in any way disagreeing w/307 or Sepia5 in regards to us, for now, nor am I am a fan of any team, player or coach in the SEC. But, until proven otherwise, no team, player or coach in any other conference is going to be above suspicion in my eyes in any rankings until they prove it against the SEC. My argument, for the purposes of this lively discussion, is that I didn't see anything on the defensive side of the ball in any game involving the Big12, including Texas, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, etc, that would lead me to believe that they are or would be the team to beat. For now, they are all playing each other, and if there is, for all intents and purposes, no apparent defense played in the entire conference, then I think that has to be taken into the equation before we anoint these teams as superior.

Again, FWIW, I have Alabama & Florida as the number 1&2 teams in the country, especially since those are the only two rankings that actually mean something....and I'll wait and see on everyone else. I give Texas the benefit of the doubt at #3 for now...I posted that I thought they were underrated a couple of weeks ago, but, I'm not convinced about being number1 yet and I certainly I don't think they compare favorably yet to the SEC game. We'll see. I can't get over the fact that Oklahoma, the class of the Big12 last two years, got beaten by Boise State & West Virginia in BCS games, respectively. Red Flag!
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I have no problems with that.
 
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Even if we beat PSU, then the "Big10 is weak" argument starts to rise. I can see it now. "PSU was overrated all season anyway". We can't, as a conference, get any respect until the OoC wins are against better teams. If we can pull out some of these it would even help the conference, until then, we shall not get any respect and we will rule the bottom 12 of the rankings for a time.....
 
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alpo;1289899; said:
Oh, and I forgot to add that, in no way, no how, though, do I think a one loss, very bad conference USC team should be ranked ahead of an Oklahoma State and/or Texas Tech team from a very competitive conference.
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By your conference comment, you indicate that strength of schedule matters, but then you seem to completely ignore current strength of schedule in your analysis. Here is the Tellshow BCS rankings of the 3 team's schedules:

USC: 4
Oklahoma St: 68
TTech: 92

The schedules:
USC
Virginia 48
Ohio State 12
Oregon St (L) 38
Oregon 40
Arizona St 65

Oklahoma St
Wazzu 107
Houston 80
Missouri St 155
Troy 56
aTm 89
Missouri 13

TTech
Eastern Washington 164
Nevada 76
SMU 114
UMass 127
Kansas St 75
Nebraska 39
 
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