2008 ACC Discussion

[Viking]

Alright, I am going to get involved now.

How often does Ohio State, as a team, run the ball on the edge?

I submit that it is not very much. So saying a player is not very multi-dimensional because his runs are up the middle, when the team he plays for runs up the middle 90% of the time regardless of who is in the backfield is not a useful measure of the backs versatility.

I will submit to this, and this is my problem. When teams takes away the inside (like against Michigan) and runs that are intended for the A or B gaps must be bounced outside (which Beanie does marvelously), then Herron is just okay.

And just to add for Viking, maybe Berry wasn't offered by Miami, but with getting Brown and Miller I think they're already straight at RB. Besides he was offered by scUM, LSU, Florida, BC, Ole Miss and FSU, not getting an offer from the "U" is probably a good thing these days, when you have better teams after you. I would think that the people down in FL would be a little mad since another one got away from them and came up north. A lot of people are still heated they lost Sabino last year, and now Berry and Hyde this year. Back to Boom.

You are probably correct on all points, but I will say this. First, have you seen Miami play this year? This is really a discussion for another thread, but Miami is back. To not even get an offer (remember this is a team that had Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, and Frank Gore at the same time) is kind of damning. As for the whole angry thing, that's the thing. They weren't. They really didn't think he was that good and were happy that he didn't come close to going to Miami.

 

[Brutus1]

What people are comparing him to Beanie? He's done everything well that's been asked of him. Sure, he's no Beanie, but who is? I'd be more than happy if he played on par with Pittman.

 

[jwinslow]

You are probably correct on all points, but I will say this. First, have you seen Miami play this year? This is really a discussion for another thread, but Miami is back.

no, not even remotely back. They may have started to rebuild, but they had 2nd teams which would blowout the current teams.

To not even get an offer (remember this is a team that had Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, and Frank Gore at the same time) is kind of damning.

instead, how about evaluating the current depth charts to evaluate their ability to identify and reel in talent...

They had guys like Sean Taylor redshirting back then. They desperately need(ed) Brandon Harris and Brandon McGee to play as soon as they arrive(d)

As for the whole angry thing, that's the thing. They weren't. They really didn't think he was that good and were happy that he didn't come close to going to Miami.

I have never come across a fanbase that did not downgrade or at least explain away the majority of their losses. There is usually an exception or two, but for the most part, they are homers at the expense of the escapee.

And they are still feverishly bitter about osu. That may not be the reason behind their berry reviews, but make no mistake, they will go to their graves with it.

 

[Brutus1]

When did Miami get back? I must have missed that. Maybe Miami's back like Notre Dame is back. 7-5, 6-6.

 

[pnuts34]

And as far as Miami being back to the "U" status, someone must not have been watching too many CFB games this season! How are they in the worst conference in CFB and they're 4th in the Coastal division and didn't even make a bowl game last year! There's no way on earth that anyone can tell me that they weren't kicking themselves for not being able to get this kid. A born and raised Miami kid, and they couldn't get him to sign, that's a pretty big blow even with Bryce Brown coming in. But Miami has bigger problems than just brining in a new RB, they have no O-line at all, if I were Berry I'd stay away too.

 

[Viking]

And as far as Miami being back to the "U" status, someone must not have been watching too many CFB games this season! How are they in the worst conference in CFB and they're 4th in the Coastal division and didn't even make a bowl game last year! There's no way on earth that anyone can tell me that they weren't kicking themselves for not being able to get this kid. A born and raised Miami kid, and they couldn't get him to sign, that's a pretty big blow even with Bryce Brown coming in. But Miami has bigger problems than just brining in a new RB, they have no O-line at all, if I were Berry I'd stay away too.

I will admit I was a little premature saying what I did about Miami but I have seen about half of their games and let me tell you they will be back sooner than later. Graig Cooper has first round potential, one of Marve or Harris should end up a pretty damn good college quarterback and their stable at wide receiver has the potential to be amazing. On defense things don't look quite as a bright but Sean Spence in particular looks great and Marcuses Forston and Robinson have looked good. Believe me, unless something goes drastically wrong they will be back in the very near future.

 

[jwinslow]

Back to respectability? Yes.

Back to bring da u? Not even close.

We have not seen their equal, not usc, lsu, osu or ou. the 01 team arguably had more elite talent in their backups and redshirts than Miami has starting now.


The one position Miami can afford to let one get away is RB. This further taints their review of berry. It's like osu, if zerbie sanders were a more elite prospect last year, our fans would not be that worried with the 08 haul coming in.


Anyway, we've gone well off-topic, i'll split this off to the acc thread or somewhere like that if no one else does so first.

 

[berryfan]

Miami was full at RB and Berry wasn't going there as a result. Miller has been a life-long Cane fan and I have to say after seeing Miller play in a few games this season, he's better than Cooper and James, and should see time on special teams as well. He's not an inside runner, but he's still quality material and I can see him getting some good playing time at Miami. However, he will suffer because Miami doesn't have an o-line, and they may not get it even in next year's recruiting class.

Give Miami a few more years, by then Randy Shannon will have finally finished erecting a recruiting wall around South Florida, especially Dade and to a lesser extent Broward county as far as the cream to the talent there. He knows all of the high school coaches there and they literally will feed him his players. That's exactly what previous Miami coaches, with the exception of Coker, have done and probably they would have done a better job in the late 90s had it not been for sanctions.

You're getting a better kid in Berry. He's got much better upper body strength than Miller and fights for his yards and he doesn't have quite an impressive offensive line at Palmetto (they're all juniors and sophomores) like Miller does at Killian. I swear if someone wraps up Miller, he's down, but not so with Berry. And Berry isn't afraid to go through the inside. A lot of Miami fans doubt me on this, but we'll see when they get to their respective colleges. By far OSU's o-line is more powerful than that of Miami, and Miami fans remember very well the 2003 Fiesta Bowl and how that o-line shoved around Miami's defenders.

 

[generaladm]

Found this in Matt Hinton's (Dr. Saturday, formerly SMQ) column...Ouch!

Wait: How many people were at the ACC Championship game? - Dr. Saturday - NCAA Football - Rivals.com

Official attendance for Virginia Tech's win over Boston College in Tampa: 53, 927. That estimate seems rather ... high. ABC appeared reluctant to give us a full stadium shot, but nothing in that broadcast, nor in the above first quarter shot above, indicated Raymond James Stadium was more than 35-40 percent full, at best. The teams combined to sell less than 5,000 of their 20,000-ticket allotment. Credible reports indicated people were literally giving tickets away.
Capacity at Raymond James is just shy of 66,000. Conservatively, the attendance was probably less then 30,000. Realistically, probably less than 25,000. Pessimistically, you can probably go lower if you have a mind to. But that stadium did not make half of the official 80 percent capacity.

 

[HailToMichigan]

Hey, that's progress! That's like twice what it was last year, with the same teams playing, and 200 miles further down the road.

It goes to show two things: 1, people won't travel twice, and 2, the ACC is retarded for not hosting the game in Charlotte.

 

[fourteenandoh]

Hey, that's progress! That's like twice what it was last year, with the same teams playing, and 200 miles further down the road.

It goes to show two things: 1, people won't travel twice, and 2, the ACC is retarded for not hosting the game in Charlotte.

1. i don't agree
2. i said the exact same thing to someone yesterday as we were watching. it just doesn't make sense to me to play a CCG outside of the footprint of your conference.

 

[matt_thatsme]

I was talking to a friend who just happends to be a Clemson fan. We eventually got on the topic of football of course. Some how we worked our way from whether Ole Miss could upset Texas Tech to football conference rankings. Anyways, he said that according to Sagarin rankings (which are apparently a joke) the ACC is the best conference in college football. I am not normally the guy that argues about the "best" conference because argueing about that is about as useful as a fishnet condom. However, I just about fell on the ground laughing. I then found this site Scout.com: ACC is college football's toughest conference Some people are really out of touch with reality.

The ACC is the best conference in college FOOTBALL

 

[HailToMichigan]

I was talking to a friend who just happends to be a Clemson fan. We eventually got on the topic of football of course. Some how we worked our way from whether Ole Miss could upset Texas Tech to football conference rankings. Anyways, he said that according to Sagarin rankings (which are apparently a joke) the ACC is the best conference in college football. I am not normally the guy that argues about the "best" conference because argueing about that is about as useful as a fishnet condom. However, I just about fell on the ground laughing. I then found this site Scout.com: ACC is college football's toughest conference Some people are really out of touch with reality.

The ACC is the best conference in college FOOTBALL

Don't confuse the lack of a really good marquee team with being a bad conference. Guess which conference set a record this year with 10 bowl bids? (And was thisfuckingclose to making it 11.)

 

[matt_thatsme]

Don't confuse the lack of a really good marquee team with being a bad conference. Guess which conference set a record this year with 10 bowl bids? (And was this[censored]ingclose to making it 11.)

Ok, as long as you don't confuse mediocrity with a good conference. The best ACC team is probably the 35th best team in the nation. It is not the lack of a marquee team, but the lack of a good team that makes the ACC weak.

 

[GaTechBuckeye]

I'll sit and debate with you all day that the ACC is the best conference in college football this year. It was an absolutely fantastic year to be a fan of any team in the ACC.